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New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by simne »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #197
simne wrote: post #193

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> Until China can produce its own fab equipment Nobody in this world could make such sophisticated equipment alone. Unfortunately this is truth, which is not studied in typical University. Even more - in Russia Universities teach people, some sort of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche And their government constantly spend huge resources for propaganda, to keep people minds in this perverted world. So Russians believ…

A couple of countries (USA and Germany) basically have a monopoly fab equipment production, and keep the secrets of such production closely guarded. Until China can re-invent semiconductors on their own (an inevitable event, but probably not anytime soon), they are reliant on the west to product any semiconductors at all.

Monopoly is not this case.

This is case of extreme complexity, which could not handled by one country, even by so big country.

In reality, all G7 economies involved in semiconductor produce, and they also use lot of resources of other countries - this is how reality look.

When somebody will create General AI, capable to substitute scientist, but to be strict, when this somebody will have thousands or maybe 100s thousands of such artificial scientists, this somebody will have opportunity to make his own semiconductor monopoly, but not earlier.

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Post by trasz »

simne wrote: post #199
hungryhobo wrote: post #194

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are you really gonna pin Taliban on the chinese? I'm sorry but your version of history isn't actually accurate either.

Have you read Sir Arthur Conan Doyle? I mean Sherlock Holmes. I become fan of these books unfortunately after phenomenal Russian series (unfortunately, because Vasily Livanov, who played Holmes, in last years become involved in Russian politics, and was supporter of Putin course, even when all respectable intelligent people began to criticize). So, Sir Arthur, said by mouth of his heroes - if you see something, which…

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Post by trasz »

simne wrote: post #196
trasz wrote: post #191

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I don’t have a problem with “struggles”; every country has those. What I do have a problem with is wars. As in, when actual people die. Without US we wouldn’t have North Korea either - the only reason it exists is that this prevents US from placing military bases there. Taliban was literally funded and trained by CIA; not sure what Chinese involvement was?

You have very strange look on history. North Korea appears because of Russian intervention, lead by Joseph Stalin. Taliban was toy movement, nothing serious, before Russian intervention to Afghanistan in 1978. You should understand one thing - US, Britain, France, even modern Germany are really strong players, but Russia after 1917 becomes small player with inadequate ambitions, so Russia could not play solo. And bec…

I’m not talking about why North Korea was created in the first place - I’m talking about why it’s still there.

As for Russia or Yugoslavia - you are doing the same thing Putin’s shills like to do, which is changing the subject. We were talking about China.

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by MrYellowP »

userbinator wrote: post #83
bcatanzaro wrote: post #17

Importantly, it appears some of their GPU comes from Imagination Technology. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/chinas-little-nvidia...

That company's GPU was used in a few of Intel's early Atom SoCs, and infamously lacked documentation and source code, unlike other Intel GPUs of the time. It was also dismal in performance and efficiency, lacking a blitter and other acceleration for 2D unlike nearly all PC GPUs since the original 8514. Ironically the source and docs were leaked many years ago, causing a lot of commotion in the OSS community; and more…

> lacking a blitter

That's fucking hilarious! :D

How can they make such a design decision and think it's okay?

"Blitter? Nah. Nobody needs that anyway!" ??

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by MrYellowP »

sandworm101 wrote: post #132
neogodless wrote: post #79

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According to Steam Survey, the 1060 is the most popular GPU in use today.

But is the 1060 the most purchased gpu? What matters is sales, not users.

Nonsense. Sales = Users buying.

When the vast majority of people use a 1060, then a new card with roughly that performance, at an attractive price point, will sell. The reason is simply that, apparently, a 1060 is enough.

You're being misled by all the voices who only ever talk about the fastest and most modern stuff. Reality is that the vast majority of people aren't anywhere near the high-end. That's the market.

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Post by MrYellowP »

qwertox wrote: post #155
zitterbewegung wrote: post #76

If it performs similar to a 1060 or 1070 gpu from MVIDIA and has an appropriate price point people who want to create a budget gaming computer would be an appropriate target market.

Who would buy an Nvidia alternative with same price and same specs if it is known that Nvidia has decades of more experience in writing drivers targeting specific games.

Your argument is nonsense. Of all the possible ones, you had to pick this one?

"Who would buy [new thing from new people], when there's [thing] from old people with experience?"

If everyone thought that way, there'd be no progress. Why did people buy IBM-PC clones? Why did people buy AMD chips, instead of intel? Why did Microsoft release the xbox, when there's Nintendo and Sony?

But sure, it's about "same price and same specs". That's obviously not going to happen, though!

So what if they sell a low-end GPU at an actually reasonable price? The market's ripe for the taking! Low-end cards are utter trash and a rip-off, because there's no incentive for the big ones to produce any good ones!

And what does it matter anyway, that they have experience writing drivers for specific games? The vast majority of games out there do not fall into this category ... and that's hundreds of millions of games.

The vast majority of people don't play the latest and greatest, also not on "the best possible graphics settings". They don't need that. It's a niche for those customers who are willing to pay the price for hardware that offers nothing beyond "nicer visuals".

That's not a majority, at all. There is no majority of people requiring drivers adapted for specific games. There is no majority of games benefitting from such drivers, either, but there's a huge market for reasonably fast, reasonably priced lower-end cards!

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by MrYellowP »

simne wrote: post #188
emodendroket wrote: post #140

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If you've been paying any attention, denying access to cutting-edge chips to China is a key part of the US's plan for competition and/or conflict with China right now. Even if China has no intent to make any major moves anytime soon they'd be complete fools to not be trying to secure their own supply.

I must say, I partially agree with you. Just except one thing - I lived in USSR and I know too much about soviet (communists) outlook, and about non-fair play. So what important - unfortunately, China is not fair player. - All soviet/communists spent significant resources for espionage, etc. - Espionage is totally different from fair playing gathering information from open sources. For people with really good knowled…

> All soviet/communists spent significant resources for espionage, etc.

Do you seriously believe that western countries don't?

Seriously?

None of them play fair. Not one. It makes no sense to do so!

Stop eating the propaganda.

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Post by StopDarkPattern »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #113
kidfiji wrote: post #95

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Mind elaborating what you mean by this?

There is or was shortage of Video Cards to the point that getting a video card at MSRP was impossible due to people just selling them on eBay. As more and more players such as Moore and Intel release cards it will help in the availability of video cards .

Asian companies are appropriating western culture names for their profit. Its bad. It should stop.

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Post by simne »

hungryhobo wrote: post #194
simne wrote: post #185

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> China hasn’t invaded anyone for decades Do you know history? There where at least two big open struggles - against USSR and against India. Also there where lot of hidden interventions - to Vietnam, to Korea, to Afghanistan, where China don't look as main hero, but without their intervention, world will be totally different. For example, without China intervention, we wouldn't have North Korea; probably capitalist S…

are you really gonna pin Taliban on the chinese? I'm sorry but your version of history isn't actually accurate either.

BTW I found exact quote from Sherlock Holmes: "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes

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Post by simne »

trasz wrote: post #203
simne wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have very strange look on history. North Korea appears because of Russian intervention, lead by Joseph Stalin. Taliban was toy movement, nothing serious, before Russian intervention to Afghanistan in 1978. You should understand one thing - US, Britain, France, even modern Germany are really strong players, but Russia after 1917 becomes small player with inadequate ambitions, so Russia could not play solo. And bec…

I’m not talking about why North Korea was created in the first place - I’m talking about why it’s still there. As for Russia or Yugoslavia - you are doing the same thing Putin’s shills like to do, which is changing the subject. We were talking about China.

It is impossible to understand, why North Korea still exists, without understanding, why it is appear - these things tightly coupled, unfortunately.
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