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Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by trasz » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 3:46 PM UTC

simne wrote: post #185

trasz wrote: post #174

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>Every tech company in China is in part owned or supported by the chinese government. So it’s exactly like the US. >China: aiming to invade Taiwan China hasn’t invaded anyone for decades. US had.

> China hasn’t invaded anyone for decades Do you know history? There where at least two big open struggles - against USSR and against India. Also there where lot of hidden interventions - to Vietnam, to Korea, to Afghanistan, where China don't look as main hero, but without their intervention, world will be totally different. For example, without China intervention, we wouldn't have North Korea; probably capitalist S…

I don’t have a problem with “struggles”; every country has those. What I do have a problem with is wars. As in, when actual people die.

Without US we wouldn’t have North Korea either - the only reason it exists is that this prevents US from placing military bases there. Taliban was literally funded and trained by CIA; not sure what Chinese involvement was?

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by hungryhobo » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 3:47 PM UTC

simne wrote: post #189

noobermin wrote: post #111

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While I'm wary for Taiwan what does that have to do at all with this story??? This sort of sentiment reminds me of those Americans who want to stop drinking Vodka over the invasion of Ukraine.

I don't like to copy-paste my comments, but here is right place. I live in Kiev, Ukraine, and just 46 days ago I thought nearly same about possible Russian invasion to Ukraine. Now I few days per week spend on finding products to eat, because we have real war and we have some problems with supply (I will not ask you to talk here about military needs, but they are also exists and they are very significant). Now I than…

then you should probably realize the Ukrainian government actually recognizes taiwan as part of china. so i feel your fear is misplaced.

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by simne » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 3:57 PM UTC

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #145

kova12 wrote: post #115

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I think what he's trying to say is that China wants to have GPU production ready before it happens, so that they are not left without technology once the sanctions kick in

But is this getting ready for that? Until China can produce its own fab equipment (taking Taiwan intact won’t help here), they will simply have fancy designs that they can’t produce. It doesn’t make sense unless they are betting on continued business relationship with the west.

> Until China can produce its own fab equipment

Nobody in this world could make such sophisticated equipment alone.

Unfortunately this is truth, which is not studied in typical University.

Even more - in Russia Universities teach people, some sort of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche

And their government constantly spend huge resources for propaganda, to keep people minds in this perverted world.

So Russians believe on some esoteric things. For example they believe, that Russia grows, when isolates from world (this is not true).

This is totally typical way of totalitarian societies - they create their own closed mythology and once isolate from truth so much, so they do weird things, and then fatal things, like Russian invasion to Ukraine, which for my believe have started countdown for disintegration of Russia.

I'm not too much philanthropist, I just know too much about Israel, which suffer from constant visits of terrorists from the poorest countries around it.

I prefer to have something like North Korea - mostly harmless country-museum.

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by hungryhobo » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 4:03 PM UTC

simne wrote: post #185

trasz wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Every tech company in China is in part owned or supported by the chinese government. So it’s exactly like the US. >China: aiming to invade Taiwan China hasn’t invaded anyone for decades. US had.

> China hasn’t invaded anyone for decades Do you know history? There where at least two big open struggles - against USSR and against India. Also there where lot of hidden interventions - to Vietnam, to Korea, to Afghanistan, where China don't look as main hero, but without their intervention, world will be totally different. For example, without China intervention, we wouldn't have North Korea; probably capitalist S…

are you really gonna pin Taliban on the chinese? I'm sorry but your version of history isn't actually accurate either.

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by simne » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 4:03 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #127

noobermin wrote: post #111

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While I'm wary for Taiwan what does that have to do at all with this story??? This sort of sentiment reminds me of those Americans who want to stop drinking Vodka over the invasion of Ukraine.

Ending the consumption of Russian vodka is an excellent economic protest move in fact, along with all of their other exports (many of which Biden has already begun neutering). Of course that's not what your comment was reaching for.

BTW, Russian vodka at least few last years, is not so good quality, that have been in past.

If you like this type of drinks, I suggest you to drink Ukrainian vodka, it is really much better :)

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by simne » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 4:36 PM UTC

trasz wrote: post #191

simne wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China hasn’t invaded anyone for decades Do you know history? There where at least two big open struggles - against USSR and against India. Also there where lot of hidden interventions - to Vietnam, to Korea, to Afghanistan, where China don't look as main hero, but without their intervention, world will be totally different. For example, without China intervention, we wouldn't have North Korea; probably capitalist S…

I don’t have a problem with “struggles”; every country has those. What I do have a problem with is wars. As in, when actual people die. Without US we wouldn’t have North Korea either - the only reason it exists is that this prevents US from placing military bases there. Taliban was literally funded and trained by CIA; not sure what Chinese involvement was?

You have very strange look on history.

North Korea appears because of Russian intervention, lead by Joseph Stalin.

Taliban was toy movement, nothing serious, before Russian intervention to Afghanistan in 1978.

You should understand one thing - US, Britain, France, even modern Germany are really strong players, but Russia after 1917 becomes small player with inadequate ambitions, so Russia could not play solo. And because of this, Russia constantly tried to break games of strong players, or as it named now - they try to break world game.

US after WWII becomes something what Russian named world gendarme (this is direct translation), so US have to spend resources and send military to other parts of world, to keep peace there.

BTW answer question (yes, this is test) - why do you think, mostly US military was in Yugoslavia (center of Europe), not European?

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 4:49 PM UTC

simne wrote: post #193

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But is this getting ready for that? Until China can produce its own fab equipment (taking Taiwan intact won’t help here), they will simply have fancy designs that they can’t produce. It doesn’t make sense unless they are betting on continued business relationship with the west.

> Until China can produce its own fab equipment Nobody in this world could make such sophisticated equipment alone. Unfortunately this is truth, which is not studied in typical University. Even more - in Russia Universities teach people, some sort of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche And their government constantly spend huge resources for propaganda, to keep people minds in this perverted world. So Russians believ…

A couple of countries (USA and Germany) basically have a monopoly fab equipment production, and keep the secrets of such production closely guarded.

Until China can re-invent semiconductors on their own (an inevitable event, but probably not anytime soon), they are reliant on the west to product any semiconductors at all.

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by simne » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 4:56 PM UTC

hungryhobo wrote: post #192

simne wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like to copy-paste my comments, but here is right place. I live in Kiev, Ukraine, and just 46 days ago I thought nearly same about possible Russian invasion to Ukraine. Now I few days per week spend on finding products to eat, because we have real war and we have some problems with supply (I will not ask you to talk here about military needs, but they are also exists and they are very significant). Now I than…

then you should probably realize the Ukrainian government actually recognizes taiwan as part of china. so i feel your fear is misplaced.

Your comment misplaced.

Before Russian annexation, Crimea where part of Ukraine, but they have large level of autonomy, they could make their regulations on languages, on culture.

Sure, Crimea authorities have to consider, that unlike Nazi Russia, Ukraine is really multinational country, so Crimea have to build Ukrainian language schools, and Crimean Tatar language schools, not only Russian language schools.

Very similar thing could happen with Taiwan. - Now it have autonomy, but China authorities want to assimilate Taiwan, to make it much more Chinese and much less Western.

Before China assimilated Tibet, and also China make bad things in Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, and adequate people don't want for these things to spread to Taiwan.

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by simne » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 6:53 PM UTC

hungryhobo wrote: post #194

simne wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China hasn’t invaded anyone for decades Do you know history? There where at least two big open struggles - against USSR and against India. Also there where lot of hidden interventions - to Vietnam, to Korea, to Afghanistan, where China don't look as main hero, but without their intervention, world will be totally different. For example, without China intervention, we wouldn't have North Korea; probably capitalist S…

are you really gonna pin Taliban on the chinese? I'm sorry but your version of history isn't actually accurate either.

Have you read Sir Arthur Conan Doyle? I mean Sherlock Holmes.

I become fan of these books unfortunately after phenomenal Russian series (unfortunately, because Vasily Livanov, who played Holmes, in last years become involved in Russian politics, and was supporter of Putin course, even when all respectable intelligent people began to criticize).

So, Sir Arthur, said by mouth of his heroes - if you see something, which could not explain by common sense, that is - you just have opportunity, to see another or NEW reality.

In this new reality, Russia is small country, which have not enough resources to compete with big players, but Russia have huge ambitions. So what it have to do? - It switches to espionage, to propaganda, to support terrorists. What it got with such activities? - It make active interference for Western policies, and like child, happy that so small, but have success breaking activities of adults.

Sure, my version is not accurate, but reality is cruel - just cup days after US left Afghanistan, Russian authorities said on official channels, that they will try to find common language to speak with Taliban leaders.

You may ask, where is China in this equation? Ok, are you really sure, that Russian have not speak about this with Chinese authorities before such statement?

- Look on map, where is China, where is Afghanistan. - Look in wikipedia, compare sizes of economy and military of Russia and China. - Look for Russia-China economy relations in news, look who pay and how much.

Are you still sure, Russia could make independent from China statements in such circumstances?

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by simne » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 7:02 PM UTC

kova12 wrote: post #115

noobermin wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I'm wary for Taiwan what does that have to do at all with this story??? This sort of sentiment reminds me of those Americans who want to stop drinking Vodka over the invasion of Ukraine.

I think what he's trying to say is that China wants to have GPU production ready before it happens, so that they are not left without technology once the sanctions kick in

I tried to say, China plan to do things, which will provoke sanctions.

And to avoid complications, China prepare to live under sanctions. I must admit, this is smart behavior, even when I don't support, what China plan to do with Taiwan.