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FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

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Re: FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

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Post by ryanmarsh »

jmyeet wrote: post #178

Let's compare this experience to that of Amir Locke [1]. To summarize: the Minneapolis PD was executing a no-knock warrant in a homicide investigation. Locke was not the target of the warrant but was sleeping on the couch. He was licensed for the firearm and it was completely legal. When startled awake, he reached for his gun (natural reaction) and the police shot and killed him. You'd think the NRA would be all over…

You'd think the NRA would be all over this: a legal gun owner killed in his home by police? Nope

In the gun community the NRA is generally seen has having failed gun owners. There are many cases similar to Amir Locke's. One in particular is Duncan Lemp.

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Post by rayiner »

jmyeet wrote: post #178

Let's compare this experience to that of Amir Locke [1]. To summarize: the Minneapolis PD was executing a no-knock warrant in a homicide investigation. Locke was not the target of the warrant but was sleeping on the couch. He was licensed for the firearm and it was completely legal. When startled awake, he reached for his gun (natural reaction) and the police shot and killed him. You'd think the NRA would be all over…

I assume the FBI tip-toed around to the back of “Tarek Abou-Khatwa’s” house because he’s one of those white Arabs?

Also, as to the Rittenhouse case, you’re missing option 3:

> Rittenhouse’s attorneys wanted the jury to know that Rosenbaum was a low-life who was in Kenosha to riot and not for social justice protests.

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Post by jjulius »

throwaway040922 wrote: post #300
jjulius wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Check out searches of mainstream news sites... Simply for what it is worth, if I Google "duncan lemp", I see articles about the shooting from The Washington Post, USA Today, the AP, ABC and The Guardian.

Thanks. I just checked The Washington Post and USA Today. The Washington Post has three articles on Lemp and one that mentions him in passing. They're all in the local news section (the shooting happened in a suburb of Washington D.C.). There's over a dozen articles on Brionna Taylor, even though that happened in another part of the country. Likewise, USA Today has one article on Lemp, and over a dozen on Taylor.

Also, again simply for what it is worth (not arguing anything, just pointing out what I am seeing - do with it what you will!), nearly every article returned when Googling his name seems to be about the shooting.

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Post by Spivak »

bavell wrote: post #297
Spivak wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legal right or not, showing up to a protest with weapons is a show of force, intimidation, and in my view enough threat to life to justify self-defense in basically any case where the armed person does basically anything other than stand like a statue. Like we're not 6 years old, surely we're not so naive to believe "I'm not shoooting youuu. I'm not shooooting youuuu" is somehow peaceful.

It was a riot, not a protest. The kid was an idiot for bringing a firearm, just like the idiots in the mob who chased a kid with a firearm.

Fine, sure. Nothing about my point changes though. Legal or not bringing a weapon to a riot...

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Post by gradschool »

lkxijlewlf wrote: post #223
jmyeet wrote: post #178

Let's compare this experience to that of Amir Locke [1]. To summarize: the Minneapolis PD was executing a no-knock warrant in a homicide investigation. Locke was not the target of the warrant but was sleeping on the couch. He was licensed for the firearm and it was completely legal. When startled awake, he reached for his gun (natural reaction) and the police shot and killed him. You'd think the NRA would be all over…

Begs the question: If you can be startled away by the someone breaking into your home and you reach for you gun and are shot dead by the police, do you really have the right to bear arms? I would really love to see some laws that allow us to defend ourselves against police. If they decide to just beat my ass, they can and I can't defend myself. WTF!?

The declaration of independence can be interpreted to mean that the government forfeits its legitimacy when it violates anyone's human rights. If the declaration of independence is considered legally binding then theoretically you could have a basis in law for fighting back against the police when they exceed their remit. I'm no lawyer but I remember something similar being brought up in the courtroom scene in the movie Good Will Hunting.

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Post by ambrozk »

jmyeet wrote: post #296
ambrozk wrote: post #245

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I would be find what you wrote much more convincing if I didn't have sufficient knowledge of the Rittenhouse case to know you were deliberately misleading us by selectively presentating and omitting key facts. 1. You omit the defense's stated reasoning for bringing up Rosenbaum's prior convictions. Their theory was not "pedophiles bad kill pedophiles good." They wanted to argue that Rosenbaum lunged at Rittenhouse in…

> They wanted to argue that Rosenbaum lunged at Rittenhouse in order to take his firearm ... That reason provides the moral cover for mudslinging at the victim but we all know what's going on. From the perspective of those around Rittenhouse, they had no knowledge if this was about to turn into a mass shooting or not. Disarming him may well have saved lives (and would've as it turns out). Defenders of these "stand yo…

Like I said, I followed the Rittenhouse case extremely closely, and you are completely, 100% full of shit. That you are so confidently spouting off about it means that you are a completely unreliable writer, and no one should trust a word of what you have to say on this thread.

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Post by Spooky23 »

woodruffw wrote: post #210
dahfizz wrote: post #190

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I agree that the justice system is racist. I am tired of Rittenhouse being used as race bait. Everyone involved in that story was white. Kyle, and all the people that he shot / attacked him. I don't even see how your point about Rittenhouse applies at all. There are plenty of examples of white people getting off easy, but you're instead nitpicking the legal defense of this one case. You're instigating a fight more th…

You’re omitting the part where the shooter went to a civil rights protest with a rifle. The fact that he happened to kill two white people rather than black ones isn’t an overriding consideration.

It doesn’t matter. The guy flipped to some sort of a cause célèbre, which transcends all fact.

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Post by leetcrew »

Retric wrote: post #104
jokethrowaway wrote: post #96

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Value is a self defining concept. It's what an individual want. The value of a society is the weighted sum of values based on individual power. Amazon is creating a lot of small value to a lot of people by delivering goods next day. People on wall street are creating a lot of value for wealthy and powerful people. An engineer can automate a lot of value creation that was previously done by a large number of people, a…

Value isn’t what people want. People want drinking water more than just about anything else, but that’s cheap to provide so the cost stays low. Gold on the other hand is rarely something people consider or want, but it’s rare therefore it has high material value.

the price of water isn't really subject to market forces though; it's usually provided by a regulated utility or directly by the government. based on the existence of lawns in arid places, I'd argue water is mispriced. in this particular case, it seems better than the alternative where poor people can't afford drinking water.

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Post by ambrozk »

woodruffw wrote: post #188
solarhoma wrote: post #184

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The defense brought up one of the rittenhouse attackers was a sex offender to show they are an individual with less than good morals. Someone who would be willing to attack someone with the crowd. So, no, this piece of evidence is not immaterial. Everything in this world is not race based. There are other nuances to the world that the MSM is hiding to push their race based fear mongering.

You’re missing the point. We place people on trial for committing crimes, not for having “less than good morals.” Criminal courts typically exclude references to a victim’s character for precisely this reason: the goal is to determine whether a crime was committed, not whether the jurors would have personally liked the victim.

1. Rosenbaum wasn't on trial. He was Rittenhouse's assailant.

2. The defense needed to present a motive for Rosenbaum's having attacked Rittenhouse, and they felt his prior convictions helped establish that motive.

3. The judge did not allow the defense to bring up Rosenbaum's prior convictions in court.

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