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Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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I am really worried by the fact that I am the unwilling tester in the Great Driverless Car Experiment. Tradition has it that when you load-test a new bridge, you put the architect underneath. I feel like this, except I didn't design those driverless cars, somebody else did. Being an experienced software engineer, my trust in the software in these cars is pretty low. And yet they are testing them on me, because I can…

Autonomous cars are already safer than human drivers. Not as featureful or accurate, but safer.

This is almost certainly a data artifact, despite how often it gets repeated by optimists

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Depends on the country, but here teenagers are drilled so much during their L phase and on the cars with a manual transmission, so they are probably the safest drivers on the road.

Yeah definitely not the case in the US. The New Jersey driver’s test consisted of a single stop sign and a parallel parking test.

Lol in Florida I looped around a parking lot and parked head in. From there you’re allowed to get on i95… in south Florida. I guess if you don’t die the first time you get on it it’s like passing a test anyway.

Luckily for me I had been driving for a while and I was tested initially in a more rigorous country, I was just getting my license after I moved to the US, but it explains a lot of what I see in the streets.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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We are all unwilling testers of every new teenage driver who hits the road.

A teenager is worried about: getting killed, killing someone else, hurting someone, wrecking their parents' car, losing their permit. I don't trust engineers working on the models that drive these cars to teach a computer the difference between a human and an open road. A teenager can discern these with no effort. I trust a teenager to care about not hitting me and try their best, and to choose a ditch over hitting s…

They might be worried but suck at risk evaluation so bad that the worry doesn’t really help.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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I am really worried by the fact that I am the unwilling tester in the Great Driverless Car Experiment. Tradition has it that when you load-test a new bridge, you put the architect underneath. I feel like this, except I didn't design those driverless cars, somebody else did. Being an experienced software engineer, my trust in the software in these cars is pretty low. And yet they are testing them on me, because I can…

Autonomous cars are already safer than human drivers. Not as featureful or accurate, but safer.

This is not exactly irrelevant, but there is some indeterminate weighting factor that you would have to apply for the bad taste of algorithms killing people vs people killing people.

Not that I'm an impartial judge... At the end of the autonomous car rainbow waits more parking, more driving, and fences to keep people out of streets.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Not necessarily, if you make your intentions clear, e.g. by slowing down and putting your hazards on.

Well, most of the time. If the cop feels like it, they can make you have a very bad time. https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/7645474002 “An Arkansas woman says she had no safe place to pull over in July 2020 when a state trooper tried to stop her for speeding, so she turned on her hazard lights and slowed down. Moments later, the officer rammed her vehicle, causing it to flip over and injuring the woman”

de-amped URL: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/06/10/arkans...

I thought that Google was supposed to stop the AMP project? can't they automatically redirect old AMP URLs to the correct real URL?

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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There is no such thing as "US" driving test standards. Each state has its own requirements. Some are quite weak, and some are very vigorous: For instance, Maryland driving licenses are accepted 1:1 as equivalent to the German driving license, you can exchange them without an exam or test. NY and CA... do not simply transfer.

The interesting thing is that Maryland drivers are among the worst I've seen over a wider spectrum of factors. Sober California drivers seem pretty safe. Virginia drivers are miserable on interstates because they pass one another at 1-3mph differentials (I assume this is a response to the reputed harsh soeeding enforcement there) and are victims of often-wrong signage, but are otherwise uninteresting. South Carolina…

I think it's more a Baltimore / DC area issue than a Maryland one. Baltimore consistently ranks dead last in best driver reports with DC right behind: https://www.allstate.com/americas-best-drivers/index.htm

The commuting structure of those cities is just awful and begging for road rage.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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US driving test standards are still a joke compared to overseas.

There is no such thing as "US" driving test standards. Each state has its own requirements. Some are quite weak, and some are very vigorous: For instance, Maryland driving licenses are accepted 1:1 as equivalent to the German driving license, you can exchange them without an exam or test. NY and CA... do not simply transfer.

When I got my license I was advised to do it in nearby Kentucky, since they didnt have a driving portion of the test at all, all you had to do was a written quiz

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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I am really worried by the fact that I am the unwilling tester in the Great Driverless Car Experiment. Tradition has it that when you load-test a new bridge, you put the architect underneath. I feel like this, except I didn't design those driverless cars, somebody else did. Being an experienced software engineer, my trust in the software in these cars is pretty low. And yet they are testing them on me, because I can…

You're not wrong.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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Remove "most of the time". This narrative that police are boogeymen who will subject you to their emotional whims is so overplayed its not even funny any more. There may be 1 in 100 truly awful police men and women out there, just as their are truly awful people in every known profession. People share a viral, highly edited video on tiktok to make themselves look like the victim only for the entire world to pile on a…

> There may be 1 in 100 truly awful police men and women out there, just as their are truly awful people in every known profession. This feels a bit like Father Ted's defense of the Church's child protection record: "Say if there are 200 million priests in the world and five percent are paedophiles. That's still only 10 million." 1 in 100 would be _far_ too high. Maybe 1 in 100 people are awful in the general populat…

Yeah fair enough, I just pulled that number from thin air to try and portray my point. The actual crime stats in the US is 47.7 per 100,000. Unless there's hard evidence to the contrary, it can be assumed that those number also apply roughly to police.

Re: San Francisco cops pull over a Cruise driverless car for no lights on

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A comment like this has no place on HN.

Gallows humor like this always has a place.

It was a low effort comment. If you want low effort you go to Reddit. HN has made a name for itself as being a place for rational thought with good, honest, and respectable discussion. Just my opinion of the site though.
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