I believe this will lead to anyone in China (Chinese or otherwise) to permanently leave the country if they are able.
In most cases people don't even have the means to leave their home town or province...
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China distinguishes between asymptomatic and "confirmed" cases. In the last 10 days there were around 140k asymptomatic cases - those are shipped to the makeshift hospitals "quarantine centers" you see on TV. During the same time there are around 5k cases with symptoms, as i understand all confirmed with a chest x-ray scan(?). Those go into the covid hospitals, which are now overflowing. Do all of those need to go to…
Considering how many people were tested a bunch of those could just be false positives. They did like 100m tests or something crazy
No they didn't. Shanghai's testing capacity is around 2m/day.
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Supposing there were a new variant, or some new illness entirely, recent history suggests the CCP would sooner try to suppress it themselves than admit it publicly. So... maybe.
Don't forget that China still tries for a zero covid strategy even with variants that are unlikely to overload the health system like Omicron. So whether it's Omicron or a new variant, their response would be the same. Sooner or later they'll have to open up like we did (and things are going just fine). But I think it's a PR issue, they've been preaching the zero covid so long.. They care a lot about their reputation…
A nuance is that mainland vaccination (incl. up to booster) with the new-technology vaccines hasn't been as robust as without the mainland. I don't know if the conventional technologies that China is using for its domestic vaccines are also worse at controlling COVID symptoms (alongside being far less effective), but if that's the case Omicron poses a very real threat to China that other countries don't face.
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This. Try to find interviews with the average Chinese citizen. Things work very differently over there. Most of them are pretty happy to live in their little information bubbles in much the same way the those in the west do, though they have quite a bit less autonomy in creating said bubble
I really can't wrap my head around it. But this is the same image I'm seeing in the media. Very weird. I just can't wrap my head around a people collectively happy with a pretty oppressive government.
The CCP derives its legitimacy from economic progress, and the progress has been impressive on that front; they have pulled hundreds of millions of people out of poverty into the middle class while building world-leading cities and infrastructure.
Being oppressed isn't really a worry when you are the first generations in a country who aren't concerned solely with survival.
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This. Try to find interviews with the average Chinese citizen. Things work very differently over there. Most of them are pretty happy to live in their little information bubbles in much the same way the those in the west do, though they have quite a bit less autonomy in creating said bubble
I really can't wrap my head around it. But this is the same image I'm seeing in the media. Very weird. I just can't wrap my head around a people collectively happy with a pretty oppressive government.
We compare ourselves to our neighbors. For most people the notion of neighbor is quite narrow.
Wrap your head around how oppressive the US is for, e.g., black men, or Muslims, and how happy white evangelicals are about it.
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#177A lot of CCP in this thread.
One should never underestimate the impact of 'useful idiots' - at all IQ levels. Indeed those of higher IQ have a much larger impact factor.
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> people are being infected through the vaccine Worth noting the difference between Sinovac and other vaccines: Sinovac is a deactivated virus, whereas almost all of the others do not contain any virus. So nobody is 'infected through the vaccine'.
I mean infected through the vaccine as in despite the vaccine, not as in acquiring it from the vaccination.
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Some may call this “the industrial revolution and it’s consequences”… These people are entirely dependent on technology and social structures that they have no control over. Unfortunately, that’s true for everyone in the countryside too unless they want to live with Stone Age farming tools. Could you sustain yourself if your town had to recreate the metal supply chain? Energy? Probably not. I don’t think you’re much…
The difference would be how much of a shock to the system would result in catastrophic effects to you/your family. A hypothetical major 2-week disruption to supply lines and public infrastructure looks pretty different if you are in the country, with well/septic, on a plot of land with a well-stocked fridge/cellar vs. a small downtown apartment with maybe a day or two's worth of supplies and the strong possibility of…
Agreed, it's about the magnitude of the impact. A massive economic crash would affect people in the countryside too but the difference is that there is a much higher chance to survive by downgrading your lifestyle. As a basic example, you can't go fishing in the city to catch your own food, especially if there are millions of people competing to fish in the same river. There are also no wild fruit trees or farms there. Only way to survive would be cannibalism - That's what happened to Leningrad/St Petersburg during WW2 as a result of a military siege.
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Considering how many people were tested a bunch of those could just be false positives. They did like 100m tests or something crazy
No they didn't. Shanghai's testing capacity is around 2m/day.
I thought they tested everyone in the city like 4 times.