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FBI Didn't Knock Down a Suspect's Door Because 'It Was an Affluent Neighborhood'

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Post by musingsole »

belter wrote: post #139

Fought Experiment: Lets say law enforcement was given the task to examine the affairs of 100, randomly selected, poor/medium income households and 100, randomly selected, very wealthy households. Statistically, where would they find the most amount of criminal activity? Has any similar research been done, and would you care to share the data?

Your thought experiment has a core problem: what is or isn't crime is already a political discussion -- even before mentioning the perpetrators. The wealthy don't commit crimes; they dictate the laws.

For your thought experiment, you would have to have an universal definition of what's legal. While that may be hard to come by, I have it on good authority that one of it's most strident claims is: "Retaining more wealth than 80% of citizens is a capital offense."

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Post by dontcare007 »

woodruffw wrote: post #210
dahfizz wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that the justice system is racist. I am tired of Rittenhouse being used as race bait. Everyone involved in that story was white. Kyle, and all the people that he shot / attacked him. I don't even see how your point about Rittenhouse applies at all. There are plenty of examples of white people getting off easy, but you're instead nitpicking the legal defense of this one case. You're instigating a fight more th…

You’re omitting the part where the shooter went to a civil rights protest with a rifle. The fact that he happened to kill two white people rather than black ones isn’t an overriding consideration.

That's rich, trying to make exercising one right at a gathering of people exercising another right seem like a bad thing.

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Post by solarhoma »

woodruffw wrote: post #188
solarhoma wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The defense brought up one of the rittenhouse attackers was a sex offender to show they are an individual with less than good morals. Someone who would be willing to attack someone with the crowd. So, no, this piece of evidence is not immaterial. Everything in this world is not race based. There are other nuances to the world that the MSM is hiding to push their race based fear mongering.

You’re missing the point. We place people on trial for committing crimes, not for having “less than good morals.” Criminal courts typically exclude references to a victim’s character for precisely this reason: the goal is to determine whether a crime was committed, not whether the jurors would have personally liked the victim.

The assailant was 0. Not standing trial as he was killed. 1. Threw something at Rittenhouse instigating the self-defense. 2. Running after Rittenhouse telling him he was going to take Rittenhouse’s rifle and kill him with it. And that was just one of the four people who attacked him that night.

Courts use a victim’s (or a perpetrator’s) character in almost every trial. The prosecution used Rittenhouse’s tiktok username and about me section as a way to paint him as a killer driven by fame. The goal is to determine if the person is guilty or not.

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Post by mkl »

popotamonga wrote: post #199

Sidenote is doors are really soft in US. Over here armored doors are a thing and they would basically need explosives or just demolish the reinforced concrete wall. Or just call the lockpickinglawyer

Where is "over here"?

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Post by dahfizz »

woodruffw wrote: post #210
dahfizz wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that the justice system is racist. I am tired of Rittenhouse being used as race bait. Everyone involved in that story was white. Kyle, and all the people that he shot / attacked him. I don't even see how your point about Rittenhouse applies at all. There are plenty of examples of white people getting off easy, but you're instead nitpicking the legal defense of this one case. You're instigating a fight more th…

You’re omitting the part where the shooter went to a civil rights protest with a rifle. The fact that he happened to kill two white people rather than black ones isn’t an overriding consideration.

Sure, you can make an argument the Kyle is racist. But that comes back to my point: this whole thread is just flame bait. There's no reason to smear Rittenhouse here. It does not connect to OPs point about inequality in the justice system.

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Post by clucas »

woodruffw wrote: post #210
dahfizz wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that the justice system is racist. I am tired of Rittenhouse being used as race bait. Everyone involved in that story was white. Kyle, and all the people that he shot / attacked him. I don't even see how your point about Rittenhouse applies at all. There are plenty of examples of white people getting off easy, but you're instead nitpicking the legal defense of this one case. You're instigating a fight more th…

You’re omitting the part where the shooter went to a civil rights protest with a rifle. The fact that he happened to kill two white people rather than black ones isn’t an overriding consideration.

I'm sympathetic to BLM and I don't think Rittenhouse should have been there with a gun.

But calling what was going on in Kenosha a "civil rights protest" makes you look foolish. It was rioting and looting. The kid did not go to some daytime march and shoot people carrying signs. He was LARPing as a security guard because people were torching businesses.

Opinion is divided so much already... if you want to convince anyone to join your side who isn't already there, you have to have your facts straight and be honest about what happened.

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Post by irisman »

spacemanmatt wrote: post #119
eesmith wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The claim is that in capitalism "you become rich by providing value to other people." John T. Walton became rich through inheritance. Ergo, there are ways of getting rich other than providing value. Ergo, looking at someone who is rich doesn't tell you that they provided value.

The best way to get rich, and this is supported by evidence, is to have someone give you money. Usually it is one's parents. Just the facts.

Can you show these evidence

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Post by millzlane »

dontcare007 wrote: post #212
woodruffw wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re omitting the part where the shooter went to a civil rights protest with a rifle. The fact that he happened to kill two white people rather than black ones isn’t an overriding consideration.

That's rich, trying to make exercising one right at a gathering of people exercising another right seem like a bad thing.

I think it's the fact that he went to that civil rights protest with a weapon and the idea of policing the protestors that was probably a bad thing. Most responsible gun owners would argue that he shouldn't have even been there with weapons. No one is attacking the exercising of one's right. They're pointing out the poor decision making of rittenhouse.

It would be no different than showing up to a freedom rally/protest with weapons and the idea to police the area.

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Post by imgabe »

jmyeet wrote: post #178

Let's compare this experience to that of Amir Locke [1]. To summarize: the Minneapolis PD was executing a no-knock warrant in a homicide investigation. Locke was not the target of the warrant but was sleeping on the couch. He was licensed for the firearm and it was completely legal. When startled awake, he reached for his gun (natural reaction) and the police shot and killed him. You'd think the NRA would be all over…

The suspect in this case was Tarek Abou-Khatwa, who, maybe I’m making assumptions here, doesn’t sound like he’s white. Are you saying that the super-racist FBI agents decided to cut Mr. Abou-Khatwa a break because he’s a member of the good ol’ boys club?
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