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New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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It was a typo sorrry.

Can’t help but notice the user name :) For the non-german speaking readers, it is jitter movement

Haha, i chronically make msytpes. No worries! was just curious if there was some secret magic nividia i didn't know about.

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Importantly, it appears some of their GPU comes from Imagination Technology. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/chinas-little-nvidia...

That company's GPU was used in a few of Intel's early Atom SoCs, and infamously lacked documentation and source code, unlike other Intel GPUs of the time. It was also dismal in performance and efficiency, lacking a blitter and other acceleration for 2D unlike nearly all PC GPUs since the original 8514. Ironically the source and docs were leaked many years ago, causing a lot of commotion in the OSS community; and more…

Imagination IP was also the core of apple's initial mobile GPU, which apple initially modified slightly for their products, before eventually replacing them after years of access. They were not terrible designs.

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If you're reading a tech news coming out of China, and aren't thinking about politics, you're doing something wrong. Every tech company in China is in part owned or supported by the chinese government. Hard to talk about "independent tech". They're more like "national tech". Today and the next 50 years in tech is being defined by the competition between the two superpowers. Their national objectives differ vastly. Ch…

By report their economy is facing imminent collapse as a real estate bubble pops. I don't know whether this makes invasion of Taiwan soon more or less likely.

"experts" have been seeing this imminent collapse for 20 years now. It will eventually be true, but that's true for a lot of things if you keep claiming them for long enough.

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It smells, China systematically prepare to seize Taiwan, so will got extremely hard sanctions, and they create their own CPUs, GPUs.

I don't get why they would be sanctioned while the US were not sanctioned for their invasion of Iraq, and Saudi Arabia isn't sanctioned for the war on Yemen

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Importantly, it appears some of their GPU comes from Imagination Technology. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/chinas-little-nvidia...

That company's GPU was used in a few of Intel's early Atom SoCs, and infamously lacked documentation and source code, unlike other Intel GPUs of the time. It was also dismal in performance and efficiency, lacking a blitter and other acceleration for 2D unlike nearly all PC GPUs since the original 8514. Ironically the source and docs were leaked many years ago, causing a lot of commotion in the OSS community; and more…

Imagination technologies reminds me of Luc Verhaegen's attempt at creating opensource drivers for PowerVR GPUs... If it weren't for the official effort by imagination technologies to create an opensource driver for Vulkan I would have considered imagination technologies to be one of the worst GPU companies.

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If available and priced attractively I would very much buy this card. I never buy top of the line graphics cards but the equivalent of 1060-1070 works just fine for my needs. And I bet that there are enough people all over the world in the same position. I think it is a competition assuming they do not fold. Also it is a startup. If they do not go down for one or another reason nothing precludes them from going highe…

>If available and priced attractively i'm thinking the same. the game that i play now is either wow or hearthstone which isn't very graphic intensive. i think this card if price cheaply can be use for casual gaming and workstation (maybe?)

Something people forget is that it is a dedicated graphics card. Unless someone is going to implement high bandwidth system memory like Apple did, that Chinese graphics card will run circles around most integrated GPUs. The competition is horrendously expensive because of the high demand for GPUs. There is enough room for a niche GPU manufacturer nowadays.

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Even if relies on TSMC and IP-blocks purchased from other companies - it is still cool that a 2-year old startup can create graphics card that appears to compete with what giants like NVDIA and AMD are offering.

Except it’s three or four generations behind in performance. The article compares it to a 1060 from Nvidia.

It compares it to a 1070 which is on par with a 2060.

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Hope so. IP is rent seeking and should be abolished. Or china might as well demand everyone pay IP for firecrackers or paper. India, middle east, ASENA, africa, etc should steal as much IP as they can and develop. Just like china did. Just like the US did. Just like everyone did.

>Hope so. IP is rent seeking and should be abolished.

In my opinion exclusive rights shouldn't be abolished, they should be time limited (up to a quarter of the human lifespan) and extensions should be gated behind very high taxes.

Humans capture water from the environment for their personal use (e.g. drinking), however, eventually they release that very same water. What modern corporations are doing is akin to sucking a pond dry and swelling up to an absurd size while never intending to release that water back to the environment.

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The hardware seems separate from the software interface. Projects like WINE can convert DirectX calls to OpenGL or Vulkan calls, so it seems like a driver update could support a newer interface if needed. For something that isn't supported at all like raytracing, those API calls would have to be dropped so you'd get a blank screen or only a UI. But something polygon-based, maybe you could drop the resolution and poly…

This isn’t entirely true. The software that a GPU supports (DX version, etc) is directly tied to certain specifics about the hardware. Have a look at the “Shader model comparisons” to see an example of this. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Level_Shader_Language

Are there any patents blocking GPUs from implementing all features of SPIR-V?
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