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New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by userbinator »

DethNinja wrote: post #82
MangoCoffee wrote: post #75

would it have any backdoor? https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2021-supermicro/ https://www.phonearena.com/news/xiaomi-browsers-have-backdoo...

Probably, but I would imagine it would be a lower priority compared to NIC or CPU based backdoors. Considering that China controls most of the NIC supply, I doubt they would be too concerned about implementing a GPU based backdoor. I’m surprised that we still don’t have a cheap domestic Data Diode option. It is clear that only way to be secure is to never directly connect to internet.

Considering that China controls most of the NIC supply

If you're referring to Realtek, that's Taiwanese.

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by StopDarkPattern »

ksec wrote: post #40
AbuAssar wrote: post #2

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Depends on how you define stolen in this context. It uses GPU IP from IMG commonly known as PowerVR, the same technology powering current Apple's GPU and some Mediatek SoC. And IMG the company is now wholly owned by Chinese Private Equity Fund. The fund acquired IMG when Apple claimed to no longer be using any of their IP and caused their market valuation to drop by more than 70%.

And has 100% appropriated Western hero names.

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by kidfiji »

StopDarkPattern wrote: post #92
zitterbewegung wrote: post #76

If it performs similar to a 1060 or 1070 gpu from MVIDIA and has an appropriate price point people who want to create a budget gaming computer would be an appropriate target market.

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Mind elaborating what you mean by this?

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by hrrsn »

StopDarkPattern wrote: post #92
zitterbewegung wrote: post #76

If it performs similar to a 1060 or 1070 gpu from MVIDIA and has an appropriate price point people who want to create a budget gaming computer would be an appropriate target market.

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"Moore" feels like a very appropriate name for a semiconductor company?

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by MichaelBurge »

ac29 wrote: post #89
speed_spread wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even with 20 year old design, you'd be using modern process which in itself should make room for significant improvements in scaling, frequency and power usage.

Yeah, but it would still be stuck at supporting something like DirectX 8 and OpenGL 1.3 (like the GeForce4). It would certainly be faster and more efficient but modern games and other software wouldn't run on it.

The hardware seems separate from the software interface. Projects like WINE can convert DirectX calls to OpenGL or Vulkan calls, so it seems like a driver update could support a newer interface if needed.

For something that isn't supported at all like raytracing, those API calls would have to be dropped so you'd get a blank screen or only a UI. But something polygon-based, maybe you could drop the resolution and polygon count and that could be translated to the newer API.

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by tyrfing »

FpUser wrote: post #58
ferminaut wrote: post #47

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there is no price, there is no power usage, the rated fp32 is roughly on par with a video card that is 6 years old now. unless it's crazy efficient (at 12nm I doubt it), I wouldnt say it's competing with the giants.

If available and priced attractively I would very much buy this card. I never buy top of the line graphics cards but the equivalent of 1060-1070 works just fine for my needs. And I bet that there are enough people all over the world in the same position. I think it is a competition assuming they do not fold. Also it is a startup. If they do not go down for one or another reason nothing precludes them from going highe…

My guess from this press release is it'll be heavily focused on the China domestic market, since there are a lot of MIC 2025 related subsidies/incentives for that. Note the list of compatibility with various domestic architectures and software.

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by heavyset_go »

pzduniak wrote: post #97
MangoCoffee wrote: post #75

would it have any backdoor? https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2021-supermicro/ https://www.phonearena.com/news/xiaomi-browsers-have-backdoo...

Wasn't the Bloomberg story debunked?

"Debunked" as in no conclusive evidence was confirmed by 3rd parties. It could just as equally mean that investigators might not have found the needle they're looking for in the supply chain haystack.
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