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New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Even if relies on TSMC and IP-blocks purchased from other companies - it is still cool that a 2-year old startup can create graphics card that appears to compete with what giants like NVDIA and AMD are offering.

there is no price, there is no power usage, the rated fp32 is roughly on par with a video card that is 6 years old now. unless it's crazy efficient (at 12nm I doubt it), I wouldnt say it's competing with the giants.

But maybe it can be sold in Russia.

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DJI seems pretty big. Whose tech are they stealing?

They scuffed with Autel and initially lost (but then had that patent invalidated), and their currently brewing fight is with Bell Textron for camera control. (This is just a quick googling. I have no skin in this game either way, but I believe that the assertion that Chinese companies always steal is a bigoted position to take. Perhaps a more accurate description would be that IP is most commonly held by incumbent bu…

I think the last point you make is a big one, and partially used to justify the Chinese industry behavior. Basically China is late to the game and if they follow Western rules they will be perpetually behind, partially because such rules are obviously designed to preserve wealth.

That being said, there is still plenty of legit innovation coming from China and Chinese founders/contributors: ant framework for react, vue, tiktok.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence a lot of the innovation is in the software sector, especially ML, which has less incumbent IP protections.

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Is "Moore" of the company's name is the "Moore" of Moore's law? If so, I wonder why one would name his/her company after their competitor's founder.

I think it is kind of cheeky. You cannot use the progress in manufactoring technology if you insists on creating a single (or few) threaded computer like an x86-machine. To really progress computing your have to go massively parallel. In other words. Moore needs to quit his job at Intel, and go and make GPUs or AI-co processors, if he still wants to see computing power double every 18 months.

Intel is coming out with gpus.

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Importantly, it appears some of their GPU comes from Imagination Technology. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/chinas-little-nvidia...

What rationale did the UK government use when approving Imagination being sold to a private equity firm controlled by the Chinese government?

None whatsoever - they don't care.

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Importantly, it appears some of their GPU comes from Imagination Technology. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/chinas-little-nvidia...

What rationale did the UK government use when approving Imagination being sold to a private equity firm controlled by the Chinese government?

Supposedly because at the time of the acquisition, "Canyon Bridge was licensed and regulated by US law." but "Since then it has moved its headquarters to the Cayman Islands and as such is no longer a US-controlled entity." [1]. Although that sounds pretty flimsy. I suspect, given it happened in 2017, it was judged politically unwise to block a Chinese state investor when the UK was looking to increase global trade post-Brexit.

Eventually it seems the UK gov woke up and blocked a Chinese attempt to take over the board and move the company to China[2]. Now it seems there's a plan to IPO again in London or Nasdaq[3] so the Chinese owners can exit.

[1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52275201 [2] https://www.ft.com/content/654a6d68-ef26-47b2-9da5-9029c570f... [3] https://www.ft.com/content/e0c48d30-866d-4efd-9d78-21e49d366...

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Except it’s three or four generations behind in performance. The article compares it to a 1060 from Nvidia.

to a GeForce GTX 1070 in fact, 2 generations behind the current RTX 3070. All 3 generations are compared in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3Iq6pFUdvE

A 1070 though was slower or on par to a 980ti which was released 7 years ago.

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Interesting, are the Linux drivers upstreamed or is this another proprietary GPU driver?

It looks like Imagination is trying to land their user space drivers for Rogue GPUs in mesa3d: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/15...

In parallel, they're working on upstreaming the kernel bits too: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/frankbinns/powervr/-/tree/pow...

Their ISA is here: http://cdn.imgtec.com/sdk-documentation/PowerVR+Instruction+...

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if relies on TSMC and IP-blocks purchased from other companies - it is still cool that a 2-year old startup can create graphics card that appears to compete with what giants like NVDIA and AMD are offering.

there is no price, there is no power usage, the rated fp32 is roughly on par with a video card that is 6 years old now. unless it's crazy efficient (at 12nm I doubt it), I wouldnt say it's competing with the giants.

If available and priced attractively I would very much buy this card. I never buy top of the line graphics cards but the equivalent of 1060-1070 works just fine for my needs. And I bet that there are enough people all over the world in the same position. I think it is a competition assuming they do not fold.

Also it is a startup. If they do not go down for one or another reason nothing precludes them from going higher end given a time and favorable market.

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Importantly, it appears some of their GPU comes from Imagination Technology. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/chinas-little-nvidia...

Even if relies on TSMC and IP-blocks purchased from other companies - it is still cool that a 2-year old startup can create graphics card that appears to compete with what giants like NVDIA and AMD are offering.

> can create graphics card that appears to compete with what giants like NVDIA and AMD are offering.

uh ... no. six teraflops is a card from 2017.

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