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Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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Post by _abox »

sudosysgen wrote: post #15
robonerd wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

COVID is pretty much over, lockdowns and mask mandates are being lifted around the free world. However authoritarian governments will likely continue to use it as a lame excuse for years to come.

It certainly isn't. Doubly vaccinated people are getting reinfected within a month. We just decided to roll the dice on the long term risks of such a disease.

True, I got covid 2 weeks after getting my booster (3rd mRNA dose). At a point where protection should have been optimal.

However it only gave me slight sniffles for 2 days. The vaccine made me more sick :) so IMO the vaccine did its job. I agree with rolling the dice on this. We can't keep locking thingals down forever and masks only delay an eventual infection anyway.

The anti covid measures do their own damage on our health and economy so I'm happy with the relaxation.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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Post by blablablub »

loceng wrote: post #7

Bags full of people's pets that were gathered due to COVID concerns (it looks like still alive, though uncertain if the plan is to kill them): "Pets filled up in bags for their duly execution in Shanghai, China as a part of the government's Covid response [TW]" - https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/u0fxgd/pets_fi...

Why do you post a video from Wuhan and say in your post that it is from Shanghai?

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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Post by blablablub »

eric-hu wrote: post #16
ceejayoz wrote: post #13

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Part of the problem is China's vaccine is substantially less effective than the mRNA ones. "Just make vaccines available" works less for them than it does in, say, the US.

Another part of the problem is that China forbids Chinese citizens from getting foreign made vaccines. They’ve acquired them, but only allow foreigners to get them.

What you wrote is absolutely not true. No one gets foreign vaccines(mrna) in China.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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Post by GekkePrutser »

blablablub wrote: post #28
GekkePrutser wrote: post #25

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Don't forget that China still tries for a zero covid strategy even with variants that are unlikely to overload the health system like Omicron. So whether it's Omicron or a new variant, their response would be the same. Sooner or later they'll have to open up like we did (and things are going just fine). But I think it's a PR issue, they've been preaching the zero covid so long.. They care a lot about their reputation…

The current omicron cases are already overloading the health system in Shanghai. and that are only about 5000 cases.

But that could be a response issue too.. As far as I've heard China hospitalizes everyone even cases that don't need actual care.

Also they have some immunity to build up that we have had over the last 2 years. I know it doesn't prevent covid but it does seem to reduce it's severity a lot.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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Post by blablablub »

sho_hn wrote: post #21
ceejayoz wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of the problem is China's vaccine is substantially less effective than the mRNA ones. "Just make vaccines available" works less for them than it does in, say, the US.

What happened to Fosun licensing the BioNTech mRNA vaccine?

still waiting for approval in China. I guess it might eventually happen after China approves their own locally made mrna vaccine.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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Post by sudosysgen »

_abox wrote: post #31
sudosysgen wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It certainly isn't. Doubly vaccinated people are getting reinfected within a month. We just decided to roll the dice on the long term risks of such a disease.

True, I got covid 2 weeks after getting my booster (3rd mRNA dose). At a point where protection should have been optimal. However it only gave me slight sniffles for 2 days. The vaccine made me more sick :) so IMO the vaccine did its job. I agree with rolling the dice on this. We can't keep locking thingals down forever and masks only delay an eventual infection anyway. The anti covid measures do their own damage on…

Ah, what I'm talking about is something else - people are being infected through the vaccine, and get a second breakthrough infection within a month of the first one. I don't know how widespread it is.

Reinfections are generally milder than the first infection, but it's not the case every time. If we let the virus run through like wildfire and accumulate mutation after mutation as it runs through billions of hosts every few months, there is a chance it has a huge cost on society.

This is pretty unique, too. Normally, people can go multiple years before reinfection even without vaccines. A virus that can reinfect after mere months and is this infectious is inherently very risky.

A nightmare scenario would be one where people keep catching it every few months without it getting less severe after the first few times.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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Post by jseban »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #34
blablablub wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current omicron cases are already overloading the health system in Shanghai. and that are only about 5000 cases.

But that could be a response issue too.. As far as I've heard China hospitalizes everyone even cases that don't need actual care. Also they have some immunity to build up that we have had over the last 2 years. I know it doesn't prevent covid but it does seem to reduce it's severity a lot.

> As far as I've heard China hospitalizes everyone even cases that don't need actual care.

That's what I heard too, so it's a catch-22. Similar issues in Sweden in the beginning of the year when they introduced the rule that the whole household has to quarantine if only one person tests positive, suddenly the whole country was on sick leave, including the hospital staff, so they also did a DDoS on their own health care system.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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Post by GekkePrutser »

sudosysgen wrote: post #37
_abox wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, I got covid 2 weeks after getting my booster (3rd mRNA dose). At a point where protection should have been optimal. However it only gave me slight sniffles for 2 days. The vaccine made me more sick :) so IMO the vaccine did its job. I agree with rolling the dice on this. We can't keep locking thingals down forever and masks only delay an eventual infection anyway. The anti covid measures do their own damage on…

Ah, what I'm talking about is something else - people are being infected through the vaccine, and get a second breakthrough infection within a month of the first one. I don't know how widespread it is. Reinfections are generally milder than the first infection, but it's not the case every time. If we let the virus run through like wildfire and accumulate mutation after mutation as it runs through billions of hosts ev…

Is a scenario where we have to work from home a couple of times a year for a few days due to a mild infection really such a nightmare?

Considering the constant lockdowns we'll need to prevent it, that sounds a lot worse tbh.

Of course it's possible a dangerous strain will emerge but I think it's worth the risk.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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Post by Stevvo »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #12

I believe this will lead to anyone in China (Chinese or otherwise) to permanently leave the country if they are able.

Most Chinese still have full confidence in their government and society. It will take a lot more than a couple of days of starvation to get people to upend their lives and flee.
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