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New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by nynx »

pfisherman wrote: post #36
nynx wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who cares? Intellectual property frankly makes no sense if you don’t worship money.

> Intellectual property frankly makes no sense if you don’t worship money. Patents incentivize inventors to publicly disclose how their inventions work. They publicly disclose how their invention works and in exchange are given exclusive rights to it for a limited period of time. This is predicated on the idea that in the absence of such a system, inventors have strong incentives to not disclose how their inventions…

I agree that was the original intention, but these days (and possibly the entire time) it just slows innovation by preventing people from using technologies.

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Post by nynx »

JaimeThompson wrote: post #35
nynx wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software is a lot less important than patents. Patents should not be allowed or should expire in a year.

Licenses are intellectual property too so I am a bit confused why the difference? Was the first statement just over broad? Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand your position when I am a bit tired.

Yeah, too broad. Licenses and copyright are a net negative in my view, but patents are far worse.

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Post by throwaway4good »

curling_grad wrote: post #6

Is "Moore" of the company's name is the "Moore" of Moore's law? If so, I wonder why one would name his/her company after their competitor's founder.

I think it is kind of cheeky.

You cannot use the progress in manufactoring technology if you insists on creating a single (or few) threaded computer like an x86-machine. To really progress computing your have to go massively parallel.

In other words. Moore needs to quit his job at Intel, and go and make GPUs or AI-co processors, if he still wants to see computing power double every 18 months.

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Post by t0suj4 »

dataangel wrote: post #34
qiskit wrote: post #23

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Hope so. IP is rent seeking and should be abolished. Or china might as well demand everyone pay IP for firecrackers or paper. India, middle east, ASENA, africa, etc should steal as much IP as they can and develop. Just like china did. Just like the US did. Just like everyone did.

Time limited "rent seeking" that feeds the technologists necessary to develop the technology. In the absence of IP businesses just rely on obfuscation to try to get the same effect, except now you don't have a patent application to read and can't take someone to court for stealing your years of research.

Except that it is used now to drive companies out of business. I honestly think that it has done more damage than benefit.

IMO If the funds used to prevent people from applying technology would be used to fund research instead, the gains would net at least zero.

Right now the benefits are localized to jurisdictions that don't care about IP. It is impossible to measure how much could have been gained from businesses that never existed due to uncertainty arising in the jungle of IPs.

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Post by randomhodler84 »

pfisherman wrote: post #36
nynx wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who cares? Intellectual property frankly makes no sense if you don’t worship money.

> Intellectual property frankly makes no sense if you don’t worship money. Patents incentivize inventors to publicly disclose how their inventions work. They publicly disclose how their invention works and in exchange are given exclusive rights to it for a limited period of time. This is predicated on the idea that in the absence of such a system, inventors have strong incentives to not disclose how their inventions…

Open source licensing incentivizes inventors to release their creations to the world to benefit humanity. Their copyright is protected and depending on the license that picked can control redistribution. Their work is protected against people passing their work off as their own, which is the intention of the patent idea.

Patents do nothing like this, in fact, they cause inventors to invent around “protected ideas”. Technology history is littered with examples of inefficient implementations become standard to avoid patent infringement. We end up with negative-incentives with patented ideas. In technology, a patent is a sure way to ensure that an idea is never implemented.

Nothing about patents, or the idea that an idea is exclusive and protection worth is worth salvaging. Patents do not achieve their stated goal.

Closed source software is inherently untrustworthy. The incentive to disclose ideas protected against plagiarism can be achieved through both public trust in our free and open source ecosystem without the need to enforce state violence because some dude dreamed an idea once and wrote a paper.

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Post by spzb »

hulitu wrote: post #28
throwaway4good wrote: post #25

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Yeah - because Tesla is a classic all-American name, right?!

Yes, today Tesla is a classic all-American name. I really doubt that many people heard about this obscure guy called Nikola Tesla.

Depends on whether they've seen S12E04 of Doctor Who https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9354212/

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Post by ferminaut »

throwaway4good wrote: post #27
bcatanzaro wrote: post #17

Importantly, it appears some of their GPU comes from Imagination Technology. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/chinas-little-nvidia...

Even if relies on TSMC and IP-blocks purchased from other companies - it is still cool that a 2-year old startup can create graphics card that appears to compete with what giants like NVDIA and AMD are offering.

there is no price, there is no power usage, the rated fp32 is roughly on par with a video card that is 6 years old now.

unless it's crazy efficient (at 12nm I doubt it), I wouldnt say it's competing with the giants.

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Post by wang_li »

throwaway4good wrote: post #27
bcatanzaro wrote: post #17

Importantly, it appears some of their GPU comes from Imagination Technology. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/chinas-little-nvidia...

Even if relies on TSMC and IP-blocks purchased from other companies - it is still cool that a 2-year old startup can create graphics card that appears to compete with what giants like NVDIA and AMD are offering.

Except it’s three or four generations behind in performance. The article compares it to a 1060 from Nvidia.

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Post by tromp »

wang_li wrote: post #48
throwaway4good wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if relies on TSMC and IP-blocks purchased from other companies - it is still cool that a 2-year old startup can create graphics card that appears to compete with what giants like NVDIA and AMD are offering.

Except it’s three or four generations behind in performance. The article compares it to a 1060 from Nvidia.

to a GeForce GTX 1070 in fact, 2 generations behind the current RTX 3070. All 3 generations are compared in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3Iq6pFUdvE

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Post by ralph84 »

bcatanzaro wrote: post #17

Importantly, it appears some of their GPU comes from Imagination Technology. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/chinas-little-nvidia...

What rationale did the UK government use when approving Imagination being sold to a private equity firm controlled by the Chinese government?
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