I think execution is absolutely wrong and never morally justifiable. However I don’t see why execution + organ harvesting is worse than execution alone.
Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says
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#62I know of one person (my friend's mom) who literally got this procedure done: she needed a new kidney, and they waited till a death row convict came along who was a match. When she was matched, she got a phone call to come over to that particular city quickly, and she went there, and came back a few days later with a brand new pair of kidneys. It was almost like when you give your car in for repair, and when it's rea…
I don’t know anything about Rose Pak but your rumor post feels so vile like political propaganda. Your links have no substantiation whatsoever and you’re comfortable with that?
Pot, Kettle, Black.
Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says
#63No post body was provided.
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#64China's death row is shrouded in secrecy. It keeps its figures on executions secret, but Amnesty International estimates that it killed thousands of prisoners from 2016 to 2020. The US government, conversely, killed 13 prisoners during that time period following a 17-year hiatus that former President Donald Trump ended.
Inaccurate, of course; the US executed something more like 100 prisoners during that time period, since most executions are not carried out by the federal government.
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#65Whats the likelyhood countries are testing non-approved drugs on prisoners? This is what scares me the most
That definitely happens.
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/18/1073846967/arkansas-inmates-i...
> Four inmates at an Arkansas jail have filed a federal lawsuit after they say medical staff gave them the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin to treat COVID-19 without telling them what it was. The inmates said they were told the medicines they were taking were "vitamins," "antibiotics" or "steroids."
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#66The biggest mistake western democracies have made is to trade with dictatorships. Enriching them has not encouraged them to become progressive, it has only made them more powerful. We have sown the seeds of our own destruction through our complicity.
Historians would point toward a pressure toward democratization of states that occurs as the middle class gains more power. Countries like France and Britain didn't suddenly decide on "parliamentary democracy" as a model out of nowhere; they developed a parliament first, when they were still monarchies, and then the parliament suppressed the monarch. The second estate (nobility) of these countries, which previously f…
Notably, this model was repeated in East-Asian countries like South Korea and Taiwan. They managed to transition away from authoritarian rule and democratize without any excess of social tensions. More recently, Central-Eastern Europe has also been broadly successful following the fall of Soviet rule. People love to talk about democracy as if it's somehow in decline as of late, but this couldn't be more wrong.
Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says
#67The biggest mistake western democracies have made is to trade with dictatorships. Enriching them has not encouraged them to become progressive, it has only made them more powerful. We have sown the seeds of our own destruction through our complicity.
Would the west be as rich and Democratic without?
Far richer, but with less plastic junk that has to be thrown away in a few months.
Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says
#68I know of one person (my friend's mom) who literally got this procedure done: she needed a new kidney, and they waited till a death row convict came along who was a match. When she was matched, she got a phone call to come over to that particular city quickly, and she went there, and came back a few days later with a brand new pair of kidneys. It was almost like when you give your car in for repair, and when it's rea…
I don’t know anything about Rose Pak but your rumor post feels so vile like political propaganda. Your links have no substantiation whatsoever and you’re comfortable with that?
That's the trick: do something so horrendous that the natural response of normal people is to think, "There's no way it's actually that bad."
So then nobody asks questions.
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#69Notable that this is a professional medical association saying this based on a stufy, not a journalist or blogger.
Just as notable is that china passed laws to stop this practice in 2015 as the article noted. The same year taiwan stopped the practice of taking organs from prisoners. Yet the propaganda is rather one sided. I wonder.
I'm against all organ "donations". If it is your time to die, it's your time to die. Also, the biggest issue in organ donation isn't china or taiwan supposedly harvesting a few dozen prisoners' organs. It's the illegal trafficking of organs of poor and desperate people around the world which makes up almost all of the organ harvesting/donations.
I'm going to bet that almost all of the organ harvesting in china, taiwan and most of the world is organ "donations" by poor people. Now that's what people should truly be upset about. But I'd doubt we'd see much propaganda about that.
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#70I think execution is absolutely wrong and never morally justifiable. However I don’t see why execution + organ harvesting is worse than execution alone.
There's a perverse incentive, especially if medical tourism also exists.