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Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

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Re: Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

#121
I think the lesson to be learned here is: "Just works" means different things to different people. The condescending replies, which seem to accuse the OP of not using the right distro, or not using "the good Linux hardware", are all by people for whom Linux does "just work" (for them). Personally, I don't think that Linux "just works", but again, that's based on the factors that I care about.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

#122
I have been using Linux Mint MATE for roughly 10 years now. BECAUSE IT JUST WORKS on both my desktop and laptop.

If you're thoroughly familiar with MacOS, you may have to invest a little time in 'Unlearning MacOS' before you can come to speed with any other OS, Windows included.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

#123
I install Ubuntu on all sorts of hardware, and it just works.

I have more issues with Apple OS’s. Latest example: Hotspot from iPone to iPad frequently drops and needs reconnection, Zoom volume is too low and I can’t fix it, privacy buttons are randomly enabled after disabled, etc.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

#124
Sometimes people get irritated because it seems like I over engineer my laptop. I can't get the damned HDMI working or maybe resolution is not proper. I pity myself and feel guilt that I'm wasting somebody's time. Point is, it's a candy shop when it comes to Linux, you make what you want. For me its okay to debug again and again.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

#126
I could bake things in a little bit more but meh, it is scripted and people can easily contribute to it or not. I think I created something every bit as good as macOS more or less, I still need to fix the script to fully setup gesture support though. That is about the only thing lacking from my perspective.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/sorunme/

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

#127
Because all Linux distros are just an amalgamation of thousands of programs and libraries, each with their own aims and pulling in different directions?

That Linux distributions work as well as they do is a miracle in itself, I think. Comparing them with the massively vertically integrated software and hardware package built by the richest company on earth is unfair. Notice that whenever anyone has attempted to subsume different parts of the Linux stack (systemd, etc) into one project, the wider community hasn't really gone along with it without being dragged kicking and screaming, and some times it has led to further fragmentation. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing too, I feel the chaotic evolution,-not-design character of the ecosystem gives us a computing environment that has a better chance of staying free of whatever the clergy of the alternative cathedral model would choose to do, especially when sponsored by amoral corporations.

So, I don't know what you would like to hear. Does Linux "just work" (whatever this marketing aphorism means?). I think it does, for me. My Dell XPS laptop running an Ubuntu LTS for work, a relatively expensive custom-built desktop rig running Debian Testing at home, and my medium-sized server for my personal projects running Debian Stable on AWS have run without any issues for more than a couple of years. Would I trade these for a massively expensive pretty aluminium box running a closed-source system that will take me several months to master as much as I have Linux (and really can never really, properly, understand due to it's closed nature) just to save me probably a couple of hours a year fixing minor issues on my Linux boxes? Probably not.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

#128
The truth is: there’s simply no substantial interest. If there was, we’d have better FOSS products with regard to usability. Let me intentionally overshoot to make a point:

Developers are the ones building software. In a developers mindset, an interface is some sort of API, not a GUI. To them, it’s also more interesting to solve a technical problem than to build a great GUI.

Designers (especially software and UX designers) are not valued to the same degree as developers/engineers in most organizations, including most FOSS projects. Apple is the only corporation that approached this differently from day one.

My own experience as both a developer and designer show me this to be true. Especially the abrasive and uninterested responses I encountered every single time I was offering to contribute to a design overhaul. The developers did not want to deal with it at all. Imagine how a talented but not highly technical designer would experience this community interaction.

All of the above is simply GUI-related. When it comes to interoperability between different projects, ideas and philosophies all too easily clash. And with no project leader to mediate and/or decide, it oftentimes leads nowhere or even sabotage. To illustrate this, you may want to read about the ongoing ZFS kernel integration saga. And that’s not even GUI-related.

Given the current circumstances, mainstream adoption of any Linux/FOSS desktop will never happen.

Re: Ask HN: Why is there no Linux distro that “just works” like macOS?

#130
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything external display I’ve plugged my M1 Mac into has worked well. Monitors of various dimensions and a TV. It’s just-worked for me. What’s the trash for you’re referring to?

> Everything external display I’ve plugged my M1 Mac into has worked well. Ever tried 1440p? It looks like crap. There's a reason BetterDummy is a thing.

I have a 1440p monitor as my main screen. What am I missing out on?
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