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An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Hard to verify the source of the video but there is one going around reddit right now showing mass suicides from people jumping out of high rise windows. Claimed to be people in lockdown in Shanghai.

Ridiculous. Of course it's false. Edit: downvotes for pointing out obvious misinformation..

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Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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That's terrifying :( and incredibly sad for anyone who ends up in that position and China as a people. Can someone explain the downvotes? This is HN not the CCP, we demand action to be backed up with reason. The article suggested "political prisoners" to be included in those ending being killed by organ harvesting, so it seems relevant to the parent's comment: > Robertson claims surgeons operated on death-row prisone…

you do not complain against hn voting system.

A perfect response. :)

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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What I don't get is, China has more than enough money to buy a vaccine that is more effective, and more than enough research capability to develop something against omicron if it's that bad there. Why don't they? (Also, why didn't we scale the vaccines with the confidence we had, instead of waiting months doing nothing just because the complete results weren't available?)

> China has more than enough money to buy a vaccine that is more effective You'd think they have enough money to ship in food and distribute it, yet evidently they're failing at even this.

Well, money can't buy logistical competence. At this level, it isn't available anywhere.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Maybe this site needs an 'Are you a Robot' captcha because you sound like one. Geez. How cold do you have to be to not understand that being imprisoned or not being able to feed your children might make you 'emotional?'

Agreed. Also, he gives no evidence of claims. Lockdowns don't work [1]. [1] https://weartv.com/news/local/study-from-johns-hopkins-univ-...

Christ, this misrepresentation once again. All y’all need to get caught up: that is not a John Hopkins University study, the researchers are not epidemiologists they’re g.d. economists, the thing is not peer-reviewed, and it does not support your claim. Quit being a sucker propaganda that encourages you to get sick.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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> weak fatality of Omicron In the US at least, Omicron has killed significantly more people than Delta. A somewhat lower mortality rate has been more than compensated for by a high infection rate. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/omicron-wav...

And you can’t delay it forever. An outbreak with come sooner or later unless you plan to lockdown till 2030.

But you should try to control its spread, such that it doesn’t overburden the healthcare system. Otherwise you end up with not only the inevitable covid casualties, but also those who were unable to get timely healthcare: lots of cancer victims, accident victims, people suffering an organ failure, disabled or dead because covid crashed the system.

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It gives more weight to Americans who opposed lockdowns too. This is the slippery slope argument coming to life, if you took lockdown to the extreme, and I think that was the biggest fear of those who opposed lockdowns.

Americans get regular free and fair elections so I feel like such a slippery slope argument is weak

Except when one side attempts (and fortunately fails, like most of that leaders dealings) to trigger an insurrection when they lose.

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It's true in terms of organisation and discipline I never believed they would be as successful as they were, but they did it. My wife's home town was locked down for a while due to having I think 8 cases of Delta, but after about 2 months the city was open again. The problem is they have bet the whole farm on that strategy, and Omicron is infectious enough that lockdowns even of the kind China has used so far may not…

> their best hope is that a very infectious but also very mild variant comes along and immunises their population for them Is that not Omicron?

Omicron is still dangerous enough to be a serious risk for an unvaccinated population of a billion people. The Chinese health system is pretty weak at the best of times. Vast numbers of sick people, even if they could survive with decent care, could overwhelm it.

Hopefully it won’t come to that. Even if lockdowns dont stop it spreading, they might slow it down enough to keep the outbreak manageable. They’re taking an awful risk though, and it’s just unnecessary. Failing to institute an effective vaccination strategy by now is incredibly irresponsible.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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I'd like to hear from someone in China on why the government still pursues a zero-Covid policy. Is it just face-saving at this point?

If SH did carrys out Centre Party's policy like most of other cities does, this bizzare wouldn't happen in the first place, if weepy kid always get what it want, what about the slient most? SH's fault is not CN's fault. China has no face, we just have the biggest slient most, pardon my English if you may ;)

You sound like you’re jealous of Shanghai - that’s understandable, I’m sorry your hukou is from countryside.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Kind of crazy how sentimental and emotional the response is with barely any actual discussion going on about the merits of this on a grand scale. Yes, stories about people's dogs and temporary economic depression are awful. The larger picture is that China by pursuing these policies has stopped millions of deaths, probably tens of millions of cases of long term disabilities, and overall kept the economy going. It's w…

Longevity is not the only thing that matters in life. I and I think most other people would rather live in a liberal country even if it means my life expectancy is slightly decreased. “Millions of deaths” sounds like a lot because the world (and Chinese) population is high, but the per-person life expectancy impact of an unchecked Covid pandemic is quite modest.

It has already shaved two years of life expectancy off America’s citizens… and that’s with halfway decent actions being taken to immunize and isolate. An unchecked Covid pandemic would be a helluva lot worse.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Americans get regular free and fair elections so I feel like such a slippery slope argument is weak

Except when one side attempts (and fortunately fails, like most of that leaders dealings) to trigger an insurrection when they lose.

There was a free and fair election followed by a basically peaceful transfer of power to the winning candidate. I get that the culture war stuff is a big deal in the US but it didn’t really seem very likely to me that the actual consequential things wouldn’t go as expected. But the thing you describe still doesn’t seem to me like it supports the slippery-slope argument so I don’t get it?
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