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Re: Back to India

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Post by therealrootuser » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 4:50 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #155

princevegeta89 wrote: post #147

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>>>I used to think the same, that the Americans don't really want us I don't think so. At this point Americans don't seem to care. In ripe cities, they see many immigrants from different countries many of who are GC holders or citizens. Btw many of them came here a couple years ago on the same h1b visa, so not sure why only Indians should be looking at it differently? The fact is America always needs high-skilled lab…

It’s not about the ethnicity of the people who have immigrated, but not creating incentives for new people to come here permanently. Not “no Indians” but instead “America is full.” I don’t believe America really needs high skill labor. When my family came here in 1989, America was already the undisputed #1, and there were less than 1 million desis in the country. Today there are over 6 million—but America is in decli…

> America is in decline

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, but can you be more specific about which metrics America is objectively declining at?

Re: Back to India

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Post by mohanmcgeek » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 4:51 PM UTC

frontman1988 wrote: post #22

akmittal wrote: post #15

It is time real innovation has started in India. India is embracing tech for new fields like agriculture, India's fintech is thriving, Indian govt is investing a lot in semiconductor fabs. A lot of people i know moved to US because of huge salary gap. Now that gap has reduced a lot and you can save more in India maintaing same lifestyle.

Gap has reduced but Silicon Valley still pays 4-5 times more for the same job than Indian salaries. As a single guy you can save a lot even accounting cost of living. Probably the reason which helped OP come to India(along with Tesla stocks 10xing)

So SV pays 4-5x or 0.85-0.9x adjusting for cost of living

And EU/Uk pays 2x or 0.4-0.5x adjusting for cost of living.

Devs in India are getting paid _more_ now adjusting for cost of living..

It's just that, cost of living stops making sense after a specific amount. For a lot of things $1 = $1

You want to buy a laptop in India? still costs $2000. Vacation to Exotic Islands? Would still cost the same.

Re: Back to India

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Post by rayiner » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 4:51 PM UTC

FerociousTimes wrote: post #156

rayiner wrote: post #152

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The words of the law are the law; everything else is whimsy. Many H1Bs did get permanent residence at a time when Americans were feeling optimistic. That’s not true anymore and desis should read the words of the law carefully in deciding where to go.

I think that you've made your point clear already regarding the literal interpretation of the immigration laws but I think that affected parties such as H1-B visa holders have the right to push for immigration reforms and pressure policy makers for a better outcome for their livelihood.

Sure, what else can they do? I’m just describing how the current system works, because I think a lot of people don’t realize how thin their legal rights under the H1B system really are.

Re: Back to India

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Post by johndfsgdgdfg » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 4:55 PM UTC

I have always wondered this. In US left wing groups are always outraged about treatment of illegal/undocumented immigrants. Why is there no outrage how legal immigrants are being treated in US?

Re: Back to India

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Post by rayiner » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 4:55 PM UTC

pm90 wrote: post #174

princevegeta89 wrote: post #147

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>>>I used to think the same, that the Americans don't really want us I don't think so. At this point Americans don't seem to care. In ripe cities, they see many immigrants from different countries many of who are GC holders or citizens. Btw many of them came here a couple years ago on the same h1b visa, so not sure why only Indians should be looking at it differently? The fact is America always needs high-skilled lab…

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I think my views on immigration are liberal for someone from my background. I was born in Thailand, but I would never imply any connection to Thailand because Thais don’t embrace as Thai people who just happen to be born there. My home country, meanwhile, is an ethnostate created after British India was subdivided by religion, and then when the Muslim part split over language.

What I’m unwilling to do is hold Americans to a different standard than anyone else. I find it objectionable when some Americans attack other Americans as “nativist and racist” for having views on immigration indistinguishable from my parents, most people in my home country, or for that matter, most people in the countries that immigrants are coming from.

Re: Back to India

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Post by rayiner » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 5:02 PM UTC

renewiltord wrote: post #167

rayiner wrote: post #120

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Americans want H1Bs to be temporary workers who go back home, not immigrate permanently. That’s why the statute has “temporary” plastered all over it and has since it was written in the 1950s. That’s why the latest Democrat-backed reform bill still has temporary prominently right in the title of the Act: > To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to reform and reduce fraud and abuse in certain visa programs for a…

Literally every sentence here is wrong. Pro-immigration sentiment is at its highest in decades. The H1-B visa is a dual intent visa and is the only real mechanism for skilled professional immigration. The whole comment is so uninformed it’s just wholly nonsense. It’s fiction from the /r/asablackman genre.

What do you think “dual intent” means?

Re: Back to India

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Post by mohanmcgeek » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 5:13 PM UTC

glogla wrote: post #54

vishnumohandas wrote: post #11

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I moved from Switzerland to India sometime back, for reasons similar to OP's. Here are my ₹2 > quality of life "Quality" is subjective. My wife and I value having our parents around, being able to afford a cook/maid/nanny, not having to deal with winter and darkness, ... > infrastructure For sure it's worse in India. But our lifestyle here is such that we don't have to deal with it frequently. We live next to friends…

> being able to afford a cook/maid/nanny Having domestic servants is only possible in placesi of high inequality.

Several Indian states have a lower gini coefficient than the US and it's still possible to hire household help here.

Re: Back to India

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Post by renewiltord » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 5:13 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #196

renewiltord wrote: post #167

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Literally every sentence here is wrong. Pro-immigration sentiment is at its highest in decades. The H1-B visa is a dual intent visa and is the only real mechanism for skilled professional immigration. The whole comment is so uninformed it’s just wholly nonsense. It’s fiction from the /r/asablackman genre.

What do you think “dual intent” means?

I suspect you don’t. But that’s fine. Readers should just go look it up themselves and they can conclude based on that and based on the latest on immigration sentiment whether you have any ground to stand on for your confidence.

I’ll provide a starting point https://news.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx

Re: Back to India

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Post by tptacek » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 5:17 PM UTC

pm90 wrote: post #174

princevegeta89 wrote: post #147

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>>>I used to think the same, that the Americans don't really want us I don't think so. At this point Americans don't seem to care. In ripe cities, they see many immigrants from different countries many of who are GC holders or citizens. Btw many of them came here a couple years ago on the same h1b visa, so not sure why only Indians should be looking at it differently? The fact is America always needs high-skilled lab…

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You can't write comments like this on HN. Rebut an argument, contribute to the discussion, flag a comment, or report it to hn@ycombinator.com: all fine. Weird personal attacks: not fine.

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Re: Back to India

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Post by tptacek » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 5:19 PM UTC

0des wrote: post #127

nonamechicken wrote: post #125

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> Americans feel that the country is full and will increasingly be enforcing the letter of the law. I used to think the same, that the Americans don't really want us. But when the corona pandemic related lockdowns happened, and US banned people from India, US still allowed Indian college students. So there must be some need. These students are not coming to US for education, they are coming here to work, and get gree…

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