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Re: Back to India

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Post by wozniacki »

maskedinvader wrote: post #14

I just wanted to point out I loved the fact the op used expat to describe his status in the US and not immigrant. I’ve always hated we had two different words to describe the same thing.

Even by the rich-poor distinction what do you call the plentiful White retirees of seedy S.E Asian places like Pattaya, Thailand & Dumaguete, Philippines? Some call them sexpats but that's a different can of worms entirely.

They're by no means as rich as some of the Chinese visitors to those destinations.

More:

Why are white people expats when the rest of us are immigrants? Surely any person going to work outside their country is an expatriate? But no, the word exclusively applies to white people

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals...

When is an immigrant not an immigrant? When they’re rich. The British diaspora in the Gulf and Brunei are seen as useful – it’s only poor immigrants who are seen as a problem

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/10/immigr...

Re: Back to India

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

FlyingSnake wrote: post #27
sveme wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It‘s interesting that the German work permit scheme seems to be much more liberal nowadays than the US one. I‘m just hiring a guy from Delhi and the process is pretty straightforward.

I regularly hire people from India at my current role, and the process is so much straightforward. There is a huge talent pool in India that is disillusioned with the US visa regime and Germany is benefiting greatly from this.

Isn't lax immigration basically wage suppression on the local German workforce and a handout to the asset/business owning class?

If you can basically hire anyone in the world instead of locals, then what leverage does the local workforce have to demand higher wages?

Feels like a power imbalance that greatly benefits the employers, banks, real estate owners, retail businesses and the boreoarctic government apparatus, who all benefit from the increase population and consumers, but screws over the local workers who need to compete with a bigger talent pool for work and a bigger pool of tenants for rent and overburdened public services like childcare.

Re: Back to India

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

satyamkapoor wrote: post #50
sveme wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It‘s interesting that the German work permit scheme seems to be much more liberal nowadays than the US one. I‘m just hiring a guy from Delhi and the process is pretty straightforward.

An EU blue card, 21 months approx for a PR. Good salaries, subsidised quality education for kids, fairly cheaper health care and access to international professional and social network. Adding more it’s a 6-7 hour direct flight to India. If I’m working in a metro in India it could take a day for me to be back to family in my hometown, it takes a bit more from Germany. To add 40 paid vacation days and are kind of push…

Where exactly can you get 40 paid vacation days? I'm also in Europe and the standard is 25 where I live.

Re: Back to India

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Post by glogla »

vishnumohandas wrote: post #11
hans1729 wrote: post #5

I'd imagine moving back to India after being successful in the US gives you lots of leverage and status, in the sense of being a big fish in a smaller pool (what a beautiful irony, thinking of India of all places as the smaller pool, heh). But lets be real, isn't the quality of life much worse? I've never been there (or in the US, for that matter), but I'd imagine that things like infrastructure are far worse in Indi…

I moved from Switzerland to India sometime back, for reasons similar to OP's. Here are my ₹2 > quality of life "Quality" is subjective. My wife and I value having our parents around, being able to afford a cook/maid/nanny, not having to deal with winter and darkness, ... > infrastructure For sure it's worse in India. But our lifestyle here is such that we don't have to deal with it frequently. We live next to friends…

> being able to afford a cook/maid/nanny

Having domestic servants is only possible in placesi of high inequality.

Re: Back to India

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Post by hollerith »

88840-8855 wrote: post #10
roenxi wrote: post #8

It continues to be a very exciting time in the pacific. The GDP figures suggest that the mythical "average Indian" almost earns enough money to start accumulating capital and from there building a large middle class. Assuming that India can navigate through the next 20 years peacefully and with sensible economic policy. They've got a much better foundation than China for sustained prosperity; as far as I can tell the…

please elaborate why you think that the political system is "saner"? my Indian colleagues are very unhappy with the system itself and the racist and populist government that is elected by this system.

It can be bad, but still better than China's system.

China has had competent leaders since 1978, but before then they had disastrously bad leaders for decades that killed many millions of their own people, and if the current or some future leadership turn bad, there are few robust mechanisms (institutional knowledge, traditions, expertise, etc) to help replace it with better leadership.

In short, although things are pretty good for residents of China at the moment, IMHO the risk of the whole country's becoming a hellscape is much higher in China than in India.

Re: Back to India

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Post by cuteboy19 »

frontman1988 wrote: post #22
akmittal wrote: post #15

It is time real innovation has started in India. India is embracing tech for new fields like agriculture, India's fintech is thriving, Indian govt is investing a lot in semiconductor fabs. A lot of people i know moved to US because of huge salary gap. Now that gap has reduced a lot and you can save more in India maintaing same lifestyle.

Gap has reduced but Silicon Valley still pays 4-5 times more for the same job than Indian salaries. As a single guy you can save a lot even accounting cost of living. Probably the reason which helped OP come to India(along with Tesla stocks 10xing)

You have to factor in CoL too. It might be logical to earn for a while in the US and then "cash out" to India

Re: Back to India

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Post by nindalf »

A friend of mine sent me a link to this article and said

> Yugal Raj Jain. He’ll be fine in India.

Indians will understand what my friend meant by that.

Re: Back to India

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Post by rob74 »

pm90 wrote: post #39
strooper wrote: post #9

If solving problems create opportunities for new ventures, that is what the smart people should do instead of piggy backing on technologically stagnated big corporations. Developing countries may have significantly less quality of life in general, but there have always been a class of people enjoying life no less than anyone in the "first world", probably more. Simply put developing countries also need amazon, paypal…

This only really applies to a few developing countries, though. I actually think it only really applies to India. When you're creating products for developing countries, you have to build for a certain market. The one in India is enormous and prosperity is increasing (although the pandemic has been a setback, yes).

Yeah, if only 5% of the Indian population can afford your product, that's still a market comparable to the entire German population (~70 million). As long as the way that the other 95% have to live doesn't bother you. I have never been to India, but I still remember the news of the Covid lockdown in 2020 where the migrant workers were suddenly left without income and had to fend for themselves...

Re: Back to India

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Post by satyamkapoor »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #53
satyamkapoor wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An EU blue card, 21 months approx for a PR. Good salaries, subsidised quality education for kids, fairly cheaper health care and access to international professional and social network. Adding more it’s a 6-7 hour direct flight to India. If I’m working in a metro in India it could take a day for me to be back to family in my hometown, it takes a bit more from Germany. To add 40 paid vacation days and are kind of push…

Where exactly can you get 40 paid vacation days? I'm also in Europe and the standard is 25 where I live.

In Belgium the standard was 20 but government forced to make the work week 36 hours & most company’s had 40. So they started giving 1 day per month extra off. It’s 32 now as the unofficial standard. In DE a contact gets 35.

Plus you’re eligible to take day off when you’re moving, have a family event(your or close family’s death or wedding).

Not counting the sick leaves here which obv do not get deducted from these

Re: Back to India

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Post by srvmshr »

dontlaugh wrote: post #26
igorkraw wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they the same? To me immigrant implies a newish arrival, probably with the intention of staying and integrating. Expat implies orientation towards the "fatherland" (patriae) to me, so someone who lives in a different country for a while (maybe a long while) but hasn't and has no intention of "going native". But maybe those are private definitions?

Immigrants come from poor countries, expats from rich ones.

This comment perfectly sums it up. Thank you. The discrimination is so stark.
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