When people are starving and have nothing left to lose, change happens.
I wish this was true but I'm skeptical, how is the change going in North Korea? 3-12% of their population starved to death [0]
An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown
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Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown
#352Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes the author cannot freely choose their recipes and was able to buy three fish: > a good ‘catch’ for what we can still buy on delivery apps But they're able to work from home, likely wealthy and well resourced. They also mention this: > we’re lucky — many people (because of the nature of their job) cannot and see their bank account go to zero, or their own business go bankrupt If you can't work, earn money and (the…
Again, the author conjectures that people may starve, but provides no evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, that people are starving.
People ARE starving.
There is plenty of evidence of this, not everything has to be outlined in the OP's article. This is like how the Russian people are saying there's no proof the exact tanks which killed civilians in Bucha were Russian, since no one has been able to go in and verify the exact tanks in person yet, so therefore it didn't happen.
Your responses in this thread are really giving off wumao vibes.
Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown
#353> This is the biggest, richest, most international city of China and people are starving, without medicine, and without freedom. Ouch. Seems like a really bad situation.
The article provides no direct evidence of people starving, only that 'We cannot freely choose our recipes'. There is also a picture of 3 fresh fish!
Use logic. Do you actually believe the communist party in China has the resources to lock up 25 million people in their apartments and provide food and services for all of them over night? Of course people are starving.
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#354A high school friend of ours is apartment-jailed in Shanghai right now. She is a young mom, and all the moms in the apartment are all out of everything required to care for babies. Trying to share strategies on how to use any kitchen ingredients to make formula or rash ointments… I wonder if this will actually have any political blowback in the coming years, or if this only strengthens the ccp.
Complaining is against the party. China makes use of people who complain to much https://nypost.com/2022/04/07/researchers-claim-chinese-surg...
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#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article provides no direct evidence of people starving, only that 'We cannot freely choose our recipes'. There is also a picture of 3 fresh fish!
Dude I live in Shanghai and I’m starving. Just wiped the refrigerator for tomorrow and got no clue for what’s next.
I hope you pull through this, I would likely be in a similar position as I don’t stock food up often. Also ignore the GP he’s all over the thread defending hyper aggressive lockdowns like Shanghai is
doing and accusing the blogger of using the term “identity politics” as a “dog whistle” which is borderline paranoid (the kind of people you would expect to obsessively fear COVID and back extreme measures).
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#356Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lockdowns achieve exactly what they are meant to achieve: they stop the spread of disease. This is mainly aimed at avoiding uncontrolled surges and collapse of the healthcare system and is effective for that. However, indeed, this must be 'step 1' and combined with a broader strategy of vaccination and controlled exposure to the virus otherwise you only end up with an infinite cycle of lockdowns. One issue in China i…
Lockdowns only achieve keeping people in their homes and that's the only meaningful result that can be discerned from them. The claim that they stop disease is 1) not proven 2)not the only way 3) not the best way
Well, it is proven. Look no further than all the lockdowns that occurred during this pandemic. Lockdowns do prevent transmission of disease.
The question is more whether it is a net benefit if infections surge again as soon as the lockdown is lifted. And the answer is of course that it's not black and white.
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#357I'd like to hear from someone in China on why the government still pursues a zero-Covid policy. Is it just face-saving at this point?
Once a large bureaucracy gears itself up to solve a problem, it will keep trying to solve the problem even after it’s not a real problem anymore.
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#358Little weird to be talking about peopel starving and lacking meds, but then again they re able to find fresh fish. Anyway, i wonder what this pattern of isolatation can create in terms of covid variants which may develop in china or australia but which haven't been introduced to the rest of world this season.
Apparently you have missed this part - "Three fresh fish, a good ‘catch’ for what we can still buy on delivery apps, although you need to check it all day and be extremely lucky you can grab something for the split second it’s available." -
Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown
#359Can care packages be sent to the OP? Safely?
I'm technically the OP but not the author. You cannot send packages to either of us as there are no deliveries being made.
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#360Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wet nurses need to be already lactating mothers, not just any woman. Also in a strict lockdown how are you going to get a wet nurse to visit you?
From GP comment it sounded like there are multiple mom's with infants in the building and statistically most of them should be breastfeeding. So if I run out of formula another mom is probably the best solution to not let my baby starve.
In China breastfeeding is less popular than other parts of the world[0], so the statistics might not work out.
[0] https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2187934/chin...