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Re: Back to India

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Post by satyamkapoor »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #109
saidinesh5 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can be easier and cheaper to hire locally, compared to sponsoring a work visa to a foreigner. For highly skilled specialists, the minimum wage for a German work Visa is 56,800 EUR (EU Blue Card) and 44,304 EUR for shortage jobs. (1). So at an individual level, wage suppression might not always happen. (Back when I was offered jobs there, my colleagues there were earning less). That being said, at scale, the increa…

>It can be easier and cheaper to hire locally, compared to sponsoring a work visa to a foreigner. Depends how you define cheaper. The visa sponsorship is a one time sunk cost, but if the candidate you sponsor aggress to work for several thousands or even tens of thousands less per year than the local candidates, then the saving for the company are obvious. It's an opens secret that companie in Germany/EU usually spon…

Idk how this works in software but the demand is so high and in DevOps that Içe not seen less than 80k Gross being paid in Germany (remote). I'm interviewing now.

I just feel the locals are too less in number for ofcourse product based job. Not talking about standard banks or non product roles. Often these non product ones (if big like banks) prefer giving contracts to Indian service based companies to cut cost.

Re: Back to India

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Post by [deleted] »

arunaugustine wrote: post #80
sumanthvepa wrote: post #46

As a fellow NSIT alum who came back home as well. Welcome back. It been known for a while, that the best place for an Indian to be an entrepreneur is in India, even if your target market is outside the country. Running the gauntlet of immigration regulations is an entirely unnecessary hurdle if you want to do a startup. Just skip it. To be honest the quality of life isn’t notably different for me. Just stay away from…

Kerala also has support from the local state government for startups. I returned to India in 2015 to startup and an equity free grant from Kerala state government sustained me and my team for a couple of years till we could stand on our own feet using revenue. Of course we also had support from our family (financial and otherwise, which the government grant helped a lot). Plus the cost of living is absurdly low compa…

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Re: Back to India

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Post by Dharmakirti »

srean wrote: post #101
Dharmakirti wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the deracination in this comment is astounding. I grew up in rural India all my life and this cartoonish casteism is no longer part of the mainstream Indian society. There will be isolated cases, but I’ve seen times and again people freely drinking water from a _pyau_ irrespective of the caste of the person. I implore you to take a rational look at Indian society and not rely on WaPo/NYT to know your own land.

> I grew up in rural India all my life and this cartoonish casteism is no longer part of the mainstream Indian society All I will say is that extrapolation and generalization from personal experiences leads to biased perspectives. Your experience does not invalidates other's and vice versa. My recent experience in Rajasthan has been that caste dynamics is still in a healthy full flourish.

> extrapolation and generalization from personal experiences leads to biased perspectives.

I agree, biases should be avoided. My point is that GP had a biased view of casteism which doesn’t help in eradicating it from the roots. He seems to be pasting the same links that confirm his bias and seeking internet validation in an article that has nothing to do with casteism. The real need is to bring the change on the ground by understanding the problem better.

Re: Back to India

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Post by srean »

Dharmakirti wrote: post #123
srean wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I grew up in rural India all my life and this cartoonish casteism is no longer part of the mainstream Indian society All I will say is that extrapolation and generalization from personal experiences leads to biased perspectives. Your experience does not invalidates other's and vice versa. My recent experience in Rajasthan has been that caste dynamics is still in a healthy full flourish.

> extrapolation and generalization from personal experiences leads to biased perspectives. I agree, biases should be avoided. My point is that GP had a biased view of casteism which doesn’t help in eradicating it from the roots. He seems to be pasting the same links that confirm his bias and seeking internet validation in an article that has nothing to do with casteism. The real need is to bring the change on the gro…

> My point is that GP had a biased view of casteism

That's your opinion and personal experience against his.

I have been in contemporary situations steeped in casteism as well as where it has played no role. Absence or weakening of caste dynamics in certain states does not make it a non-existent or irrelevant in others.

That national politics in many Indian states are campaigned along caste lines is proof enough that caste is well entrenched even today in many of the Indian states. Observing election campaigns and their results is in my view a good indicator where caste is a dominant force and where it isnt.

Re: Back to India

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Post by nonamechicken »

rayiner wrote: post #120
princevegeta89 wrote: post #74

Fuck the H1b visa. Yes I understand that we have created a huge GC backlog by immigrating here in large numbers but that doesn't mean we should be dragged around like a toy. This is sadly the impression I've formed these days. Our entire lives here revolve around that visa and we could basically be holding on to it for 30 to 50 years before we can get a GC lol. In the meantime, maintaining our driver's licenses, bein…

Americans want H1Bs to be temporary workers who go back home, not immigrate permanently. That’s why the statute has “temporary” plastered all over it and has since it was written in the 1950s. That’s why the latest Democrat-backed reform bill still has temporary prominently right in the title of the Act: > To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to reform and reduce fraud and abuse in certain visa programs for a…

> Americans feel that the country is full and will increasingly be enforcing the letter of the law.

I used to think the same, that the Americans don't really want us. But when the corona pandemic related lockdowns happened, and US banned people from India, US still allowed Indian college students. So there must be some need. These students are not coming to US for education, they are coming here to work, and get green card and become a citizen.

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2021/05/03/us-rest...

> For a long time, d###s treated the H1-B system as a permanent immigration visa...D###s should internalize that.

And that is why I think posts like this are important. So that Indians who are considering moving to US know the ground reality, and make informed decisions rather than regret it later in life.

Re: Back to India

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Post by Dharmakirti »

nindalf wrote: post #96
Dharmakirti wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. There are tons of posts by Indian women, Muslims and Dalits that show that they’re also ascendant, but if you only look at -ve aspects you will always find dirt. I grew up in rural area and I’m not a savarna. I studied in Govt institutions and most of my non-Savarna batch mates are doing just fine. We don’t need savarna apologists to tell us what is the ground reality.

> There are tons of posts Ok, go ahead and link 5 of them. Hyperlinks on the internet are free :)

It’s telling that you skipped the real criticisms about your toxic empathy and lack of solutions to the casteism problem. Grovelling in firanghi forums and seeking gora validation by finger pointing will not help eliminate the problem in rural India. Avarnas are not a karma farms for savarnas on the internet.

Re: Back to India

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Post by 0des »

nonamechicken wrote: post #125
rayiner wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans want H1Bs to be temporary workers who go back home, not immigrate permanently. That’s why the statute has “temporary” plastered all over it and has since it was written in the 1950s. That’s why the latest Democrat-backed reform bill still has temporary prominently right in the title of the Act: > To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to reform and reduce fraud and abuse in certain visa programs for a…

> Americans feel that the country is full and will increasingly be enforcing the letter of the law. I used to think the same, that the Americans don't really want us. But when the corona pandemic related lockdowns happened, and US banned people from India, US still allowed Indian college students. So there must be some need. These students are not coming to US for education, they are coming here to work, and get gree…

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Re: Back to India

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Post by 0des »

billfruit wrote: post #49
ramraj07 wrote: post #40

Good for you but there’s no real advantage professionally in moving back, but no disadvantage either. Sure you’re saying H1B restricts but does it really? Have you truly explored all immigration options? Or did you just balk at all the extra beauracracy and said I’ll go back to india? Which is fine, but do note the irony of moving to india to avoid bureaucracy lol. Apply and do your GST, run between five different br…

There are definite advantages in moving to India or many other third world countries, there is so much scope and possibly, and the untapped markets can be huge opportunities. Also the same amount of money goes a long way in India than in US. Rents, medical costs, etc are way cheaper.

I hesitate saying that they're third world.

Re: Back to India

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Post by nonamechicken »

sumanthvepa wrote: post #46

As a fellow NSIT alum who came back home as well. Welcome back. It been known for a while, that the best place for an Indian to be an entrepreneur is in India, even if your target market is outside the country. Running the gauntlet of immigration regulations is an entirely unnecessary hurdle if you want to do a startup. Just skip it. To be honest the quality of life isn’t notably different for me. Just stay away from…

I am from Trivandrum, now in US and really badly want to pack up and leave (because of management issues). Do you have any tips on finding a job in Trivandrum while still being in US? Do people with about 15 years experience in IT have any hope of finding jobs there?

Re: Back to India

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Post by rayiner »

nonamechicken wrote: post #125
rayiner wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans want H1Bs to be temporary workers who go back home, not immigrate permanently. That’s why the statute has “temporary” plastered all over it and has since it was written in the 1950s. That’s why the latest Democrat-backed reform bill still has temporary prominently right in the title of the Act: > To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to reform and reduce fraud and abuse in certain visa programs for a…

> Americans feel that the country is full and will increasingly be enforcing the letter of the law. I used to think the same, that the Americans don't really want us. But when the corona pandemic related lockdowns happened, and US banned people from India, US still allowed Indian college students. So there must be some need. These students are not coming to US for education, they are coming here to work, and get gree…

Need is different from want. Indian college students are future temporary workers, if that. Going to college here doesn’t guarantee you an H1B much less a green card. The rapidly aging American population has a need for various temporary workers, but they don’t need them to stay here and become citizens. There is no political will on either the left or the right to create a real, predictable skilled immigration system that doesn’t leave Indians and their families at the mercy of legal fictions like “dual intent” papering over what is fundamentally a temporary worker program.

Silicon Valley needs and perhaps even wants Indians as permanent immigrants. Insofar as Biden is supported by Silicon Valley with donations he’ll throw them some scraps. But Indians (and Asians generally) aren’t especially politically useful to Democrats. They aren’t eligible to vote for a decade or more, and don’t turn out even then. And they create internal tensions in the coalition (e.g. voting down Prop 16 in CA). Democrats will talk a lot about loving immigrants because they’re laser focused on the Hispanic vote. But reforming the H1B system doesn’t help with that and they won’t spend any significant political capital on that.

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