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An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by makomk »

roca wrote: post #22
makomk wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China used the same Chinese vaccines as Hong Kong and according to ABC News in Australia only 62% of Shanghai residents over 60 have been vaccinated. This is fairly typical; Chinese policy was to focus on vaccinating people of working age. There have been multiple reported outbreaks at elderly care facilities in Shanghai recently. China is still reporting no Covid deaths. Now, a bunch of people have been complaining…

Actually Hong Kong vaccines were about half Pfizer and half Sinovac. The low vaccination rate is the main problem. This article about reasons for that low vaccination rate is quite interesting: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-diseas...

Hong Kong has a worse vaccination rate amongst the elderly and better vaccine mix than the mainland (more imported vaccines, probably less of the more dubious Chinese-made ones), but broadly speaking they're very similar. I think even the Western countries with comparatively poor vaccination rates are still better than either.

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Post by debo_ »

Shadonototra wrote: post #113
ailun wrote: post #74

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I saw that video and I don't they are all in Shanghai or all recent.

all recent? are you sure about that? in half of them, you see people without a single mask, wich indicates they are not that recent ;) aren't you trying to spread misinformation? https://www.americashealthrankings.org/explore/annual/measur... In the USA: 1.4 millions suicide attempt in 2019 4000 suicide a day! make a video about it, and you'll have the same effect ;) Okok, let's only take deaths 47.5k deaths in 2019…

I believe there was a typo in the post you're replying to — it looks like the poster intended to write "I don't think they're in Shanghai or all recent."

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by somewhereoutth »

TheBlight wrote: post #29

If you believe anything you've heard about covid coming out of China for the last 2+ years I have a bridge to sell you.

Large scale infections like we've had elsewhere would be impossible to hide. China's low case and death rate is broadly accurate.

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Post by ericmay »

nicoburns wrote: post #48
geokon wrote: post #31

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What do you feel the "choice" with vaccines was? So even if they overlooked the politics/"optics", I don't think they could go to the Western pharmaceutical companies and just ask for 3 billion doses. With boosters it's looking like there isn't enough vaccine capacity for the world as it is. I don't think there was ever a real alternative other than a "zero covid strategy" What seems strange is that they haven't been…

> I don't think they could go to the Western pharmaceutical companies and just ask for 3 billion doses. I wonder if they could license the technology then produce it themselves. I believe this is what India has been doing?

This user in the comment above mentions that China blocked it:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30967224

Which makes sense for the CCP. If everyone gets the western vaccine then it makes the CCP look bad.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by fivea »

rosndo wrote: post #32
ATsch wrote: post #18

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The market has a lot less strong of a grip on society so it is less urgent to simply wish the virus away by reopening everything at a huge human cost.

Keeping everything locked down has a huge human cost too. Quite possibly even bigger than “wishing the virus away”.

> Keeping everything locked down has a huge human cost too.

That really depends on what's your personal definition of "keeping everything locked down".

European countries like Spain and Italy showed that lockdowns work quite well in quickly halving infection rates with negligible externalities, but their lockdown focused on non-essential work and everyone was allowed to do basic provisioning things such as going to the supermarket.

Also, if I recall correctly Spain also had in place a kind of stimulus program where people could apply for a guaranteed minimum income scheme.

It boggles the mind how some people conflate a quarantine with solitary confinement under house arrest where people are left to starve to death.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by Shadonototra »

debo_ wrote: post #122
Shadonototra wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

all recent? are you sure about that? in half of them, you see people without a single mask, wich indicates they are not that recent ;) aren't you trying to spread misinformation? https://www.americashealthrankings.org/explore/annual/measur... In the USA: 1.4 millions suicide attempt in 2019 4000 suicide a day! make a video about it, and you'll have the same effect ;) Okok, let's only take deaths 47.5k deaths in 2019…

I believe there was a typo in the post you're replying to — it looks like the poster intended to write "I don't think they're in Shanghai or all recent."

Oh you are right, my bad!

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by cplusplusfellow »

somewhereoutth wrote: post #123
TheBlight wrote: post #29

If you believe anything you've heard about covid coming out of China for the last 2+ years I have a bridge to sell you.

Large scale infections like we've had elsewhere would be impossible to hide. China's low case and death rate is broadly accurate.

I respectfully disagree. Early into the pandemic there were quite a few folks writing of evidence that massive amounts of Chinese were dying. They were quickly silenced.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by somewhereoutth »

jdrc wrote: post #26

Little weird to be talking about peopel starving and lacking meds, but then again they re able to find fresh fish. Anyway, i wonder what this pattern of isolatation can create in terms of covid variants which may develop in china or australia but which haven't been introduced to the rest of world this season.

Covid variants are more likely to arise through large scale infections, as each infection is a chance of mutation. Long lasting infection in immuno compromised patients is also a fertile breeding ground (it is believed that Omicron was produced like this).

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Post by Jonovono »

magpi3 wrote: post #42

I am in China too. In Shenzhen. I think the author is very unkind to the Bao An. I am 100% sure they would treat me the same if there is a similar lockdown here, but I imagine they are under a lot of pressure. My hearts go out to them though. I have a dog here in China, and I am very afraid of what will happen to her if an outbreak like this hits my area. And how can you even have a dog if you can't leave a building…

Be careful - they are killing peoples dogs that test positive for covid
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