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Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by maxerickson » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 11:54 AM UTC

geokon wrote: post #31

threatripper wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hong Kong had the highest death rate per capita globally in the last weeks when their containment policy failed. Leading to a mortality of over 0.1% in a short time. Hong Kong is a very rich area. Many other areas would fare much worse. The rest of the world is not "all-in" with vaccines. Vaccines are combined with waves of infection for the unvaccinated and vaccinated which lead to the death of 0.1% to 0.6% of the p…

What do you feel the "choice" with vaccines was? So even if they overlooked the politics/"optics", I don't think they could go to the Western pharmaceutical companies and just ask for 3 billion doses. With boosters it's looking like there isn't enough vaccine capacity for the world as it is. I don't think there was ever a real alternative other than a "zero covid strategy" What seems strange is that they haven't been…

Pfizer/BioNTech licensed their vaccine to a Chinese pharmaceutical manufacturer, the government didn't approve it:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-12/billionai...

That's not quite what you describe, but they could have poured resources into manufacturing the licensed vaccine instead of outright blocking its use.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by _Microft » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 11:54 AM UTC

legacynl wrote: post #43

grecy wrote: post #2

The rest of the world seems to have gone all-in with vaccines and are now moving away from lockdowns. Why are China sticking to the lockdown route?

Because Chinese propaganda has always tried to shift blame away from the cccp. cccp propaganda continually pushed the message that corona infections were due to contaminated foreign goods (i.e. Not due to the cccp's bad healthcare policies). So to keep in line with propaganda instead of vaccinating the elderly and vulnerable they focused their efforts on vaccinating factory/Dock workers and other that handle a lot of…

I think you mixed up your authoritarian abbreviations a bit there.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by jokethrowaway » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 11:54 AM UTC

nonrandomstring wrote: post #64

jokethrowaway wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because our own political apparatus is not that different from the Chinese one. We just like to pretend we still have a choice with our "democratic vote". You won't be able to dismantle it or even to reduce the huge amount of money it consumes. You won't be able to escape its rules. We should be thankful we're still able to leave for the least worse country. The real disease is called statalism and we're seeing…

In WW2 we had Lord Haw-Haw (the defector William Joyce). He is mocked in Steven Spielberg's "Saving Private Ryan" as the deranged voice yelling from the ruins "The Statue of Liberty is kaput". That's disconcerting.

I can't prove I'm not Chinese propaganda but I'm torn between China having bought our politicians or just our politicians doing their thing, trying to gradually accumulate more power and money over 200 years. Probably both, considering China got wealthy relatively recently.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by ailun » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 11:54 AM UTC

Gigachad wrote: post #40

Hard to verify the source of the video but there is one going around reddit right now showing mass suicides from people jumping out of high rise windows. Claimed to be people in lockdown in Shanghai.

I saw that video and I don't they are all in Shanghai or all recent.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by xtian » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 11:54 AM UTC

darkhorn wrote: post #53

TheBlight wrote: post #29

If you believe anything you've heard about covid coming out of China for the last 2+ years I have a bridge to sell you.

If you believe anything China says I have you a bridge to sell you.

That would make sense since they’re still building them in China

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by 0xcoffee » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 11:54 AM UTC

magpi3 wrote: post #42

I am in China too. In Shenzhen. I think the author is very unkind to the Bao An. I am 100% sure they would treat me the same if there is a similar lockdown here, but I imagine they are under a lot of pressure. My hearts go out to them though. I have a dog here in China, and I am very afraid of what will happen to her if an outbreak like this hits my area. And how can you even have a dog if you can't leave a building…

Even worse, they do lockdown in place and without warning. So if you were at work, and your dog was home, then your dog would stave alone.

I really don't understand why they don't at least let people stuck at work go home, really crazy situation.

Source: Chinese gf's dad is in lockdown at his work, while mom in lockdown at home.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by aperson_hello » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 11:55 AM UTC

jefftk wrote: post #66

ImaCake wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well Australia is open and has been for a while. As far as I know there were no novel variants that were found first here because the lockdowns suppressed case numbers and besides, there is only 25 million Australians. We have the same variants as the rest of the world, except most Australians don't know anyone who has died from COVID.

Australia: 6.6k deaths, 25M population, 0.03% dead US: 1M deaths, 300M people, 0.3% dead. On the other hand, Australia's had most of their deaths recently and is still going, while the US deaths were mostly earlier. So the gap will likely narrow over time.

And by excess death numbers, the US probably already had that many deaths before the time Australia locked down. The world acted too late to not let the cat out of the bag. Australia definitely avoided a lot of impact by locking down and starting locked down, but it was happenstance and geography that allowed it to do so semi-effectively

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by barry-cotter » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 11:55 AM UTC

Gigachad wrote: post #40

Hard to verify the source of the video but there is one going around reddit right now showing mass suicides from people jumping out of high rise windows. Claimed to be people in lockdown in Shanghai.

Yeah, this is bullshit. Even with no knowledge of China or Shanghai whatsoever you should know this is bullshit. There were very few jumpers in New York on September 11th. Most people don’t kill themselves in the face of certain death by burning or a building falling. Mass suicide wasn’t a thing in extermination camps like Auschwitz. Religiously motivated instances of mass suicide rely on peer pressure mechanisms that don’t function when everyone’s in their damned apartment.

Also there’s no hint of this in any of the group chats I’m in and given I’m in Shanghai that would be big local news. Censorship doesn’t work well or fast when people have nothing to do except gossip.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by Laforet » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 11:58 AM UTC

csee wrote: post #36

threatripper wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hong Kong had the highest death rate per capita globally in the last weeks when their containment policy failed. Leading to a mortality of over 0.1% in a short time. Hong Kong is a very rich area. Many other areas would fare much worse. The rest of the world is not "all-in" with vaccines. Vaccines are combined with waves of infection for the unvaccinated and vaccinated which lead to the death of 0.1% to 0.6% of the p…

Only because HK's elderly are not widely vaccinated, and also because Sinovac makes up about half of their vaccinations and this vaccine is not as good at preventing mortality. A very similar situation to Mainland China, actually. So the question still hasn't been answered. Why is Mainland China insisting on pursuing this inferior strategy? The hard-lockdown zero-Covid low-vaccination approach has been shown to be in…

The imcumbent cabinet and politburo are going out of term later this year and a new list of names needs to be appointed and rubber stamped by the upcoming 20th CCP National Congress. The government essentially operate in caretaker mode for several months before the congress and any major policy reversal would be taboo as it could disrupt the political horse trading happening in the background. This is just not the time for course change.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_National_Congress_of_the_...

Ironically, a very similar situation played out in Wuhan . By mid December 2019 it was very clear that a deadly respiratory disease is in the community but the politicians were too preoccupied with the ongoing provincial party congress. Nobody in power was willing to take a bullet for announcing a pandemic until their posts are confirmed and secure. The rest is history.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by seizethegdgap » Sat, Apr 09, 2022, 11:58 AM UTC

AussieWog93 wrote: post #49

Gigachad wrote: post #40

Hard to verify the source of the video but there is one going around reddit right now showing mass suicides from people jumping out of high rise windows. Claimed to be people in lockdown in Shanghai.

You got a link to that?

Pretty sure this is it. Cannot stress enough that this video is HIGHLY NSFW.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/tzosau/peop...