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Changing jobs during the Great Resignation

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Re: Changing jobs during the Great Resignation

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Post by bally0241 »

treyfitty wrote: post #39
claudiulodro wrote: post #8

It's wild to me that his way of figuring out what companies to apply for was to make a list of the top-paying ones and just pick the top 10 highest-paying. Is that a common strategy? No thought about product, industry, impact on the world, just $$$. It looks like it worked out for them though, since I guess they got like a million dollar offer, so maybe I'm the one approaching this the wrong way?

I do something like this as a first pass, but prune based on Values. I wouldn’t ever consider Amazon… but at $1MM… that’s kinda “change your values” type money.

Out of curiosity, what turns you off about Amazon?

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Post by notch656a »

antisthenes wrote: post #76
hn_user82179 wrote: post #36

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FWIW I assume that's because they parent a 1 year old, and it's important to trade-off on caregiving time.

Not if his wife doesn't work.

If his wife doesn't work then the 30m of me time becomes even more costly and even more important to clear. Work is often the only reprieve from a very young child. The first year of our child, my favorite thing in the world was to go to work, no matter how shitty the task. The thirty minute commute alone was orgasmic, without the sound of a screaming colicky child unrelenting during day and night alike.

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Post by hotpotamus »

BlargMcLarg wrote: post #71
anm89 wrote: post #42

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99% of people in tech aren't changing the world. They are building accounting and metrics and shopping and add platforms to get marginal increases to marginal revenue so some business can make a bit more money than they were making before. I'm honest that I trade my time for money. There are many times when I'll prioritize other things like working with people I like or not working with people I dislike, the same thi…

On that note, is anyone else getting a little tired of all the pretentiousness going about in tech? Suddenly, every tech company is claiming to "change the world" and "not like the others". You know, hyping these adds, metrics, platforms, etc. up as if they're going to really change life in a noteworthy way for Average Joe. Whatever happened to just putting in a good day's effort and admitting we're doing it for the…

I think it taps into peoples' inherent religious desires and motivates them to put in more work and possibly do things they wouldn't otherwise. There's a reason it's called drinking the kool aid.

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Post by rootusrootus »

This sounds like a game for younger people. But then again, do FAANGs even hire middle aged developers? I ask because of genuine curiosity -- I have a decent network and could probably land another job pretty easily, but only one of my closer contacts works for a FAANG. So the only way I could even try would be through the front door, as it were.

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Post by BlargMcLarg »

tester756 wrote: post #74

On one hand I do understand why somebody would want put a few months into grinding questions like this, it could be life changing salary jump. but on the other hand I feel like I'd feel like I've went into some bad direction with my life - where's the curiosity part? Idk, whenever I read about US software engineering market then I feel like it's one big game Here in eastern eu I've never been asked about anything tha…

N=1 from West EU: things are slowly changing in the entirety of the West. Demands are increasing and compensations aren't matching up remotely. We're very much adopting the mentality of SV without the big paychecks.

And we're still making the same crud apps as before. Just now they look a little fancier and we don't manually deploy. Maybe.

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

claudiulodro wrote: post #27
xwdv wrote: post #20

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Yes you are wrong. You’re confusing career with purpose.

Could be. I got into this stuff because of hacker ethos stuff I read as a kid, not because tech is more lucrative than working in finance.

This is me. I derive great satisfaction simply being around tech. Maybe it is from watching my father take apart and work with the family PC at age 4 or 5. Now I'm in a rat race against Adderall addicts on hedonic treadmills.

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Post by [deleted] »

notch656a wrote: post #58
toomuchtodo wrote: post #40

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Some expenses you have no control over (alimony, child support, chronic healthcare costs, elder care come to mind from my circle of associates). Yes, don’t spend frivolously (luxury vehicles, eating out all of the time), but sometimes (at least in tech), you have far more control over the income side of the equation. If you can switch jobs and make $100k/more a year, that’s easier than trying to cut all of your expen…

Yeah the other issue is if you increase income, your imputed income for child support is now effectively permanently higher. Child support imputed incomes ratchet up with raises, generally not back down. You will never be able to 'relax' back at a slower/less lucrative job because now the judge says pay the higher rate or go to jail. Another way to view it: say you get a pay boost 90k -> 190k. The custodial parent wi…

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Re: Changing jobs during the Great Resignation

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Post by BlargMcLarg »

hotpotamus wrote: post #83
BlargMcLarg wrote: post #71

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On that note, is anyone else getting a little tired of all the pretentiousness going about in tech? Suddenly, every tech company is claiming to "change the world" and "not like the others". You know, hyping these adds, metrics, platforms, etc. up as if they're going to really change life in a noteworthy way for Average Joe. Whatever happened to just putting in a good day's effort and admitting we're doing it for the…

I think it taps into peoples' inherent religious desires and motivates them to put in more work and possibly do things they wouldn't otherwise. There's a reason it's called drinking the kool aid.

See I do agree on surface level it makes sense to decorate things. But I have yet to see any empirical evidence of this, let alone weighted against the long term costs of burnout, disillusion, embitterment, increasing costs using third parties to fix the problems, and more.

Anecdotally, the far majority of "we really love to work here!" people I met seemed to either stop caring very soon, were clearly faking it or were barely distinguishable from their more skeptical co-workers performance-wise, bar a few individuals with a savior complex.

Re: Changing jobs during the Great Resignation

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

thwayunion wrote: post #46
ForHackernews wrote: post #32

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Cutting expenses also gets you closer to financial independence: https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/01/13/the-shockingly-si... In fact, it's doubly effective. If you can learn to reduce your expenses by $10k and live happily, not only do you have an additional $10k to save/invest, but you need less each year to live independently.

> If you can learn to reduce your expenses by $10k 1. This is crazy to me. I could maybe cut $3K by taking a huge hit to quality of life (that would probably not be sustainable with a full time job anyways). Getting the other $7K would involve either homelessness or cutting back on eating and visiting family. How do salary earners manage to rack up $10K per year of purely unnecessary expenses? 2. That number is still…

Yeah...a lot of financial advice assumes you already make 6-figures when they talk about cutting expenses.

12 years ago, my food budget was $3/day, and the only reason it wasn't less than even that was because I worked at a Subway and could get 1, sometimes 2 meals a day free if I was working a long shift. Going to Taco Bell was considered splurging.

I caught Mono and had to miss 3 days of work. I had to get an advance on my paycheck to pay the rent. At least my boss was cool about it.

Re: Changing jobs during the Great Resignation

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Post by hotpotamus »

BlargMcLarg wrote: post #88
hotpotamus wrote: post #83

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I think it taps into peoples' inherent religious desires and motivates them to put in more work and possibly do things they wouldn't otherwise. There's a reason it's called drinking the kool aid.

See I do agree on surface level it makes sense to decorate things. But I have yet to see any empirical evidence of this, let alone weighted against the long term costs of burnout, disillusion, embitterment, increasing costs using third parties to fix the problems, and more. Anecdotally, the far majority of "we really love to work here!" people I met seemed to either stop caring very soon, were clearly faking it or we…

That's a fair point - I've never really been in a position to measure the performance of such people. It's entirely possible that performance isn't actually all that relevant. It might just be that leaders prefer followers who "worship" them as leaders of the shared religion of work. I don't think this is all some sort of Machiavellian scheme either - I think a lot of it is unconscious on both ends of the deal.
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