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Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by y-c-o-m-b »

bin_bash wrote: post #266
y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #162

Amazon is doing this. I went through the process and the recruiter tried to manipulate me into "assigning a local office" otherwise it has to go through "an approval process". I told him put it through the approval then or I walk. He also tried car-salesman tactics of trying to get me to accept a lower total comp package. I stood firmly at the top of my range and after days of trying to convince me otherwise, they fi…

> I'm not coming in, ever. In my experience working remote for the past decade "remote" usually involves coming to the office or having an offsite once a quarter. I don't think that's unreasonable at all.

I've been doing remote longer than a decade and never ever had to come in to the office when designated as such. Might be reasonable for you, but that's up to the individual and at the very least needs to be disclosed in the interview stage if it's mandated. Some people work remote because they have debilitating anxiety, phobias, or mental health issues. Others are single parents that don't have the ability to offload those responsibilities. There are valid reasons for never going in.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by wiseguy317 »

Most of FAANG has been pretty open about they want people back in the office, at least part of the time.

A lot of companies are talking about hybrid models, so that is probably where we will end up. We will get there a lot faster if the economy tanks and the power shifts away from the employee.

Hope I am wrong, I love WFH.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by m3047 »

supertofu wrote: post #15

Maybe we should get a list going of scummy recruiters.

Maybe we should gamify it. Actually I was thinking of places with the same posting for months or years. My inspiration was remembering the amusement that FuckedCompany provided... and it was surprisingly accurate.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by tbabb »

makecheck wrote: post #267

I’m sure there are talented recruiters but generally I’m lucky if they connect any dots properly. Things like: “I see you have years of experience on X, here’s an opening in Y”, or “I found your resume , here’s a job in $faraway_city!”. In other words, they barely seem to read resumes or anything else so if they totally screw up key details of the position, that is probably par for the course. (Insert rant about losi…

Recruiters use automated tools to scrape LinkedIn profiles and send what amounts to customized spam.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by pb7 »

jrd259 wrote: post #174
jhatemyjob wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon trains its employees to be back stabbers. I'm at the point where if I see a long stint Amazon on your resume, I count that as a point against you, because if we work together, you're probably gonna try to give me the runaround and/or fuck me over.

I doubt anything I say could convince you otherwise, but I've had no experience at all in 8 years at being "stabbed" in the back. Nor have I any way to prove I am not an evil one. Amazon is large, you may be judging on a small sample size.

Curious: have you ever worked elsewhere, particularly anywhere that is generally praised? It's possible that your experience has genuinely been wholly positive or it's possible that what you tolerate as a normal working environment is entirely unhealthy compared to other companies.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by dvtrn »

Adding my own anecdote about this:

Despite the job ad, recruiter and hiring manager all confirming "yes we are a remote first company", Hybrid-RTO was announced recently with a mandatory minimum of one day in the office for those who live in HQ city.

And while on the one hand I appreciate the Hybridization of "if you want to work primarily from the office, fine, if you want to work primarily from home, fine", it also doesn't feel like a true choice of home or office considering my manager has nagged me each Friday since this was announced because "someone said you only went to the office once this week?"

Which I guess means someone in leadership has someone else silently taking attendance and reporting back to managers who shows up and who doesn't?

Within my department and even my functional team of six, I'm the only one who actually lives in the HQ city-which means I'm beholden to the RTO. Which means even when it's time to have face-to-face, talkie-talkies with people on my team or in my department, even if I'm in the office: none of them are.

Is it worth leaving over? Probably not. I've been very firm on my boundaries and disconnecting from work, and so far the company hasn't tried stepping over them.

Frankly, I'd probably be in the office a lot more if we didn't subscribe to that stupid-damn open office workspace layout, and the internet weren't so dodgy..

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

michaelt wrote: post #167
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but it's also a good way to get "blackballed" in today's tech industry. I would not encourage people early-to-mid-career, to do this.

I'm sceptical as to whether you can actually get blackballed, unless your misdeeds achieve a Hans Reiser level of publicity. I've had recruiters claim that if I use the offer they got me to negotiate a raise from my current employer, they'll make sure I never work in this town again - and yet recruiters keep calling.

I've seen it happen.

Maybe it's less prevalent than it has been in the past, but managers hate "troublemakers," even if the "troublemakers" are 100% correct.

Also, this is a FAANG company. Get problems there, it's likely to metastasize. It would be another thing, if it were BillyBob's WebApp Emporium.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by balaji1 »

md_ wrote: post #248
uuyi wrote: post #95

> I'm not sure what the compensation model for recruiters is, but it seems to encourage bringing in as many candidates as possible over treating them with honesty and respect. From experience dealing with recruiters for the last 25 years they universally lie to both sides to pocket the commission at all costs. I drove 400 miles once to do an interview for a solution architect position. Got there and the company were…

This is probably more true for headhunters than for in-house recruiters. FAANG mostly (completely?) use in-house.

with the the roles of recruiters being so metrics driven, most recruiters seem to be optimizing for funnel metrics. FAANG or not. But especially at FAANG where the number of recruiters and candidate pool is large that they prefer metrics.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Post by sjg007 »

mason55 wrote: post #178
sjg007 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your friend probably has a claim against the company for breach of contract. When people leave a job to join a new one and incur expenses and then the new company lays them off or fires them for no fault then the judges usually side with the employee.

"Promissory estoppel" is the term here as it's unlikely there was any actual breach of contract.

Yes, this is what I was thinking of.
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