They're not lying, there are just significant internal miscommunications. A lot of the big companies right now have a lot of internal disagreements on the policies that pop up at various stage of the process.
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#262To everyone who is reading this, I'm hiring at On Deck (beondeck.com) We are are a 100% Remote company and will stay remote forever. Contact me if you'd like to join: sebastian.volkl@beondeck.com
What roles are you hiring for?
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#263This is very anecdotal, but I have a friend that interviewed at Google for a Remote SWE position - everything indicated that it was remote: the posting, the recruiter and the hiring manager. Now they announced RTO, his manager said: "We're excited to have you at the office" - he was really confused about this messaging, so they forced him to apply to work remotely (even if he had been hired as such) denied his applic…
Meanwhile FAANG leadership are taking meetings in their mountain homes and beach houses in the Mediterranean while we plebs are expected to commute on the daily.
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#264I have founded 5x companies now. My last two have been remote only. I don't think I will ever go back unless I made physical hardware again--even then I might question it.
I have moved my family from California to Berlin. It is great we can travel Europe and I can work from anywhere. The tooling is great these days. Dealing with several timezones has its own issues but we aim to do quick daily standup over discord (yes no more terrible threaded messages in Slack). We use Deel to handle payroll around the globe. We try and get a face-to-face meetup once/year. Everyone seems very happy.
Now the only hard part is finding Rust engineers ;)
Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions
#265This is very anecdotal, but I have a friend that interviewed at Google for a Remote SWE position - everything indicated that it was remote: the posting, the recruiter and the hiring manager. Now they announced RTO, his manager said: "We're excited to have you at the office" - he was really confused about this messaging, so they forced him to apply to work remotely (even if he had been hired as such) denied his applic…
Your friend probably has a claim against the company for breach of contract. When people leave a job to join a new one and incur expenses and then the new company lays them off or fires them for no fault then the judges usually side with the employee.
If there was in fact a contract. Most employment is at-will.
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#266Amazon is doing this. I went through the process and the recruiter tried to manipulate me into "assigning a local office" otherwise it has to go through "an approval process". I told him put it through the approval then or I walk. He also tried car-salesman tactics of trying to get me to accept a lower total comp package. I stood firmly at the top of my range and after days of trying to convince me otherwise, they fi…
> I'm not coming in, ever.
In my experience working remote for the past decade "remote" usually involves coming to the office or having an offsite once a quarter. I don't think that's unreasonable at all.
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#267I’m sure there are talented recruiters but generally I’m lucky if they connect any dots properly. Things like: “I see you have years of experience on X, here’s an opening in Y”, or “I found your resume , here’s a job in $faraway_city!”.
In other words, they barely seem to read resumes or anything else so if they totally screw up key details of the position, that is probably par for the course.
(Insert rant about losing StackOverflow Developer Stories, which actually allowed explicit tagging of things like preferred tech which made matching really easy.)
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#268This sounds situational. I know someone personally that just landed a remote L5 position at Google. I have spoken with dev managers at Facebook who are hiring remote positions. I have spoken with dev managers at Amazon who are hiring remote positions. My guess is that was the least offensive way the recruiter could come up with to tell you you didn't pass the "bar". And the hiring committee is, afaik, another "bar".
The non-offensive way would be not to lie.
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#269Many companies are struggling with is issue. I wouldn't be surprised if the policy evolved from when the recruiter got the assignment.
Disruptive change is hard. In the business units that I manage, some units thrived under COVID and get better working remote. Others collapsed and remain barely functional. It requires alot capital and ROI to justify dealing with it. It's one of the infuriating aspects for working for giant companies.
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#270Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am still flabbergasted that more companies have not gotten it through their skulls yet. Even if you keep an office, all-remote is simply a better model. Not only do you have access to a global labor pool (including the best candidates), the communication is better and work is more flexible (which literally everyone appreciates), you can lower overhead or even hire people for less based on location. The only major d…
Here is why: extraverts who need constant hyperactive human interaction are the only people psychopathic enough to ascend into the leadership tiers that make decisions about remote vs. in-person. So they just can't, and I mean CAN'T, handle the idea of all-remote. At all.
That‘s very drastic. I‘m a rather extroverted head of engineering and would fight tooth and nails to keep remote for my teams.