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Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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In fact, if you're using Linux on your workstation you'll use the same skills locally as you do on the VPS/bare metal (depending on your scale.) Arguably "cloud" services need more sysadmin skills, not less.

It's far easier to maintain my own Linux workstation than an internet-facing server used daily by customers.

Absolutely but most of the knowledge translates, it's the procedures that differ.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Yes. I once did zero downtime migration first from AWS to Google, then from Google to Hetzner for a client. Mostly for cost reasons: they had a lot of free credits, and moved to Hetzner when they ran out. Their savings from using the credits were at least 20x what the migrations cost. We did the migration by having reverse proxies in each environment that could proxy to backends each place, set up a VPN between them,…

Would you have a write up in more detail of what you did, even high level. Seems cool thing to do

Bump! This sounds very interesting.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Moved from Google Cloud -> Digital Ocean -> OVH. Running our own stuff on high powered servers is very easy and less trouble than you think. Sorted out the deploy with a "git push" and build container(s) meant we could just "Set it and forget it". We have a bit under a terabyte of Postgresql data. Any cloud is prohibitively expensive. I think some people think that the cloud is as good a sliced bread. It does not rea…

> Really, I can't see a compelling reason to be in the cloud for the majority of mid-level workloads like ours. I work on a very small team. We have a few developers who double as ops. None of us are or want to be sysadmins. For our case, Amazon's ECS is a massive time and money saver. I spent a week or two a few years ago getting all of our services containerized. Since then we have not had a single full production…

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Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Interesting - we moved the other direction (to Linode) from Rackspace because their VM/dedicated pricing was just out of whack. Our new box was nominally the same as the old at half the price, but the "4 CPU" was so much newer that it was nearly 2x.

At the same scale? I guess if you move a whole data center, they'll quote very different prices from their public ones.

Yeah, I suspect Rackspace is aimed at "we'll datacenter for you" and not toward small businesses with small needs. And they price themselves accordingly to discourage those customers.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Moved a SaaS tool from Linode to DigitalOcean. Reason for the move was security driven. DO's K8S volumes are LUKS encrypted at rest by default; one less thing in your security controls to worry about. Prices are higher than Linode's, and have had some reliability issues occasionally with the LoadBalancer, but for the most part it works really well.

The SaaS tool was mostly cloud-agnostic, so the changeover was not terrible. Changing the deployments to use DO's CSI storage, setup secrets, deploy services. I stood up the entire infra on DO, then moved the DNS over one subdomain at a time.Took about 4 days to make the move, including validating everything, and finally cutting off Linode totally.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Yes, but what about the million new customers you're going to get next week?

Funny, but honestly, a single dedicated server should easily be able to handle a million users, for most CRUD apps.

The cloud has normalized terrible underpowered VMs, so many new developers may just not be aware of how much performance a real dedicated machine has - even a relatively "mid range" one (i7 & 16 GB RAM).

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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> None of us are or want to be sysadmins. It's such a huge misconception that by using a cloud provider you can avoid having "sysadmins" or don't need that kind of skills. You still need those, no matter which cloud and which service you use.

In fact, if you're using Linux on your workstation you'll use the same skills locally as you do on the VPS/bare metal (depending on your scale.) Arguably "cloud" services need more sysadmin skills, not less.

Thats a very big if.

I have yet to work with a $corp that uses Linux for workstations.

Overwhelming majority uses Windows. Some use macOS.

The ocasional developer that uses linux will usually be in a VM, or if IT policies allow, WSL.

So yeah, running cloud services doesnt require sysadmin skills, unless you assume copy pasting from oficial documention "sysadmin skills".

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Moved from AWS to vultr. Primary reason is unsafe billing practices at AWS. I'm a small shop and felt very uncomfortable about the potential of getting a surprise $xx,000 bill from AWS. The hack in December tripled my anxiety. Changed my password and migrated in January. Closed out my AWS account once every last service was migrated.

I mostly use only basic services so pretty much any cloud provider can fit my use case. It took some time but I have peace of mind now.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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At work we moved from AWS to GCP for pricing reasons. We are still paying loads more than before moving to the cloud, but it's hard to find good sysadmins nowadays that don't want to do everything on the cloud. For personal projects I've moved things to Linode and Digital Ocean, as they provide quite decent value. Actually, for a comparison of AWS/GCP/Azure/Linode/DO/Tencent/Ali value & performance, check out an extensive comparison I ran recently: http://blogs.perl.org/users/dimitrios_kechagias/2022/03/clou...

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever switched cloud?

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Why did you feel IBM is best when you only use K8S? Our platform fully K8S and I'm looking to somewhere where we get more performance per buck, probably not IBM but I'm surprised it's even in the list. Do they have an extra nice K8S dashboard or something?

Not sure where you're currently at and considering moving to, but GKE has been much simpler than EKS. Not sure about cost but it'll likely save some operations time (auto scaling is a single check box, no IAM, scaling controllers, etc)

IME GKE on GCP is top-tier if you want a painless managed k8s offering. I've been running my business on it (solo founder) since ~2017 with minimal fuss. Hosting a couple dozen WP sites and some bespoke webapps/apis.
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