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Why the WHO took two years to say Covid is airborne

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Re: Why the WHO took two years to say Covid is airborne

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Post by sampo »

winrid wrote: post #116
zhdc1 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2. CDC (I believe) was claiming that N95 masks won't help as much as other masks. Later it turned out they just didn't want to create scarcity for N95 masks because hospitals need them. The messaging IIRC was a little more nuanced, but delivered poorly The US and other countries faced a mask shortage at the beginning of the pandemic. Masks don't provide absolute protection, but they do reduce viral load exposure (a…

It was especially confusing when my company at the time (in sfbay area) hired someone to tell us that masks won't help because viruses are small and also we'll be back in the office soon. :)

> to tell us that masks won't help because viruses are small

It's actually 0.3 micrometer particles that are most difficult to filter. Smaller than that, particles start to dance around and not move smoothly, because of Brownian motion, so they get stuck in the filtering fibers better.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Typical-filter-efficienc...

Re: Why the WHO took two years to say Covid is airborne

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cf141q5325 wrote: post #14

>“We’re really talking here about two failures, not one,” says Sandman. “Being reluctant to change your mind, and being reluctant to tell people you changed your mind.” Like other public-health and scientific organizations, the WHO “are afraid of losing credibility by acknowledging that they got something wrong”, he says. Quite a good summary for the entire clusterfuck that was the pandemic response. I still cant wra…

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Re: Why the WHO took two years to say Covid is airborne

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Post by mypalmike »

warning26 wrote: post #26
thehappypm wrote: post #11

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“Follow the money” “George Soros” “Bill Gates” Etc

It's impressive how quickly people can go from "the WHO was wrong about a thing" to "massive conspiracy headed by a secret cabal that rules the world from the shadows" Where's the bug tracker for humanity?

If you believe in "the massive conspiracy", you have to see it in everything, almost by definition.

Re: Why the WHO took two years to say Covid is airborne

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Post by rvanlaar »

simonh wrote: post #119
cf141q5325 wrote: post #14

>“We’re really talking here about two failures, not one,” says Sandman. “Being reluctant to change your mind, and being reluctant to tell people you changed your mind.” Like other public-health and scientific organizations, the WHO “are afraid of losing credibility by acknowledging that they got something wrong”, he says. Quite a good summary for the entire clusterfuck that was the pandemic response. I still cant wra…

> the more they created a vocal minority who heavily drank the coolaid loosing the ability to even consider that the god like apparatus could be wrong. They’re are small vocal minorities all over the spectrum that say all sorts of crap. The WHO isn’t the only voice of “the system” though and plenty of other services and agencies recognised covid was airborne as soon as the evidence was out. Overall I think at least h…

Respectfully disagree.

A lot of people who looked into COVID were saying this doesn't add up. They were were framed to be in the 'small vocal minorities that say all sorts of crap'.

"the system" was all pointing and looking at each other. Big tech censored content that was deemed misinformation by the standards du jour.

"the system" failed what it said it would do, follow the science. And the WHO has been a major part of that system.

Re: Why the WHO took two years to say Covid is airborne

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laichzeit0 wrote: post #25

Great I wonder if YouTube will now unban all the “disinformation” videos they banned while the WHO was wrong. There were so many people debating this long before the WHO changed its tune. This is why free speech must be protected. Fuck these overlords telling us what to think.

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Re: Why the WHO took two years to say Covid is airborne

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optymizer wrote: post #33

I was the first in our office to go permanently WFH in February of 2020, three weeks before our offices closed, because I recognized that SARS-Cov-2 would be a huge problem, when pretty much everyone was in the 'just a flu/cold' mode. Here's the news that did not pass my bullshit detector: 1. Virus is not airborne (as initially claimed). I thought the water droplets claims were true for a while until I saw how fast i…

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Re: Why the WHO took two years to say Covid is airborne

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[deleted] wrote: post #152
cf141q5325 wrote: post #14

>“We’re really talking here about two failures, not one,” says Sandman. “Being reluctant to change your mind, and being reluctant to tell people you changed your mind.” Like other public-health and scientific organizations, the WHO “are afraid of losing credibility by acknowledging that they got something wrong”, he says. Quite a good summary for the entire clusterfuck that was the pandemic response. I still cant wra…

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Re: Why the WHO took two years to say Covid is airborne

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Post by unityByFreedom »

philliphaydon wrote: post #149
unityByFreedom wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely I think it's possible for rumors to have been running around given that Dr. Li Wenliang messaged his group about it as being confirmed to be a coronavirus on Dec. 30 [1] We seem to have miscommunicated. When you wrote "We heard about 'sars outbreak in china' around xmas of 2019" I thought you meant you had heard about a confirmed outbreak reported by some reliable news source, not rumors. What I meant to u…

In that case my wording is poor and I apologise for that, sorry. By 'we' I meant my family and I. My wife is Taiwanese and her family said to be careful because people are saying there was a possible sars outbreak.

I'm glad we sorted it out. And thanks for the lesson. I'll be more careful reading this kind of comment in the future. I didn't realize there were such rumors floating about and just assumed you were talking about actual news reports.

Re: Why the WHO took two years to say Covid is airborne

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Post by russellbeattie »

Every single event in the past decade has to be re-examined with the understanding that we have been under attack by Russia for the past decade. The WHO and the CDC were victims of their misinformation campaign, just like the rest of us.

Yes, there were issues with the pandemic rollout that need to be prevented from happening in the future, without doubt. But trying to find blame for either organization, which have been hammered by a massive, organized and relentless campaign of misinformation is a waste of time. They were being attacked daily by both Russian bots and, by extension their representatives here in the US, the Republicans. Of course they made mistakes.

If the U.S. hadn't been destabilized by Russia, there would have been a much more clear headed response. Placing any blame on the CDC or the WHO has no purpose. It was Russia.

(We need to pardon the Jan 6th insurrectionists and start a nationwide effort to educate the people about how badly they have been deceived and then we need to do whatever possible to ensure regime change in Russia.)

Re: Why the WHO took two years to say Covid is airborne

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Post by dhzhzjsbevs »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #140
cf141q5325 wrote: post #14

>“We’re really talking here about two failures, not one,” says Sandman. “Being reluctant to change your mind, and being reluctant to tell people you changed your mind.” Like other public-health and scientific organizations, the WHO “are afraid of losing credibility by acknowledging that they got something wrong”, he says. Quite a good summary for the entire clusterfuck that was the pandemic response. I still cant wra…

> You dont loose credibility by acknowledging you were wrong Maybe that's how you think, but lots of people don't think that way. To a large part of the masses, experts have to be right the first time around, otherwise people lose trust in them. Many people don't understand the scientific method or that science is not about certainty but about constantly learning and adjusting. Many treat science and expertise as aut…

> Many people don't understand the scientific method or that science is not about certainty but about constantly learning and adjusting.

This is the Fauci argument. It doesn't work.

Aside from being incredibly Condescending to assume the masses are too stupid to handle the truth...

All it does is open you up to criticism from people that understand basic logic.

Those criticisms then spread between these "many people".

On the other hand, if you told the truth up front, you might have "many people" misunderstand something, but you have the upside of the many other people being able to argue why they're wrong over the following months. Eventually truth and facts prevail.

You maintain credibility with people that do understand science, and you get eventual credibility from those who misunderstand.

Sure some will never change but you were going to instantly lose credibility to them either way.

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