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There's some sort of battle happening between the devs of Graphene and Calyx as we speak: https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1511593168667611139?s=...
This has been going on for atleast a year. There's a long video from Techlore which presents the CalyxOS side of the picture and places the blame with GrapheneOS leadership: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7CZ-2Bajg .
Jeez, HN, get your shit together.
Nice development. Just yesterday I ordered a Pixel 6 to replace my ageing Ubuntu Phone — Google's Pixel smartphones are the only ones really well supported by privacy focussed Android forks like GrapheneOS and CalyxOS (I intend to install GrapheneOS on it). Currently, this seems like a decent middle ground between being able to run apps from one of the two app stores (Apple's and Google's) when needed without sacrifi…
GrapheneOS is collaborating with a hw vendor to create a device that can run GOS and which has similar hw to current Pixel devices. https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1490518600339308544
Good to have options. For me I won't be even testing this distribution when looking at their preference for signal, tor, their own VPN and duckduckgo. Thanks but no thanks. For those in Europe our preference tends to be with Telegram, ProtonVPN and Qwant. Please consider this configuration profile as default in future releases for those in the European continent. Thanks.
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I don't like the video, it shows Daniel Micay as a toxic sociopathic man, while in reality he is nothing like that
It's a video pushing a whole bunch of clearly fabricated stories and libel about me. The leader of the Calyx Institute and multiple project members have also participated in this abusive behavior. They've tried to pretend as if their highly abusive behavior isn't real and is simply imagined. Techlore's video shows a series of doctored screenshots with him lying through his teeth about the history, context and content…
There's some sort of battle happening between the devs of Graphene and Calyx as we speak: https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1511593168667611139?s=...
To be fair, the lead dev of graphene os has been crying wolf about stuff like this for ages. For example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7CZ-2Bajg Now, i really like Graphene OS. I consider my Pixel 3a with Graphene OS one of my, if not my most secure device. And the work they do is great. But man, Daniel Mackay would be well advised to reorganize how he interacts with his community and perhaps take some mental hea…
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> By default, Calyx is privacy-preserving, because it doesn't connect automatically to WiFi. You choose to connect to WiFi only if you want to. Going to simply interpret this as unhelpful sarcasm. > My point is that the comment I'm answering touts the sandboxed Google Play Services. Sandboxed Google Play isn't included in GrapheneOS. Users can choose to install apps which include Google's libraries and use the Google…
> Going to simply interpret this as unhelpful sarcasm. I think it is helpful to convey the emotion that goes through me when I read such a remark. > It includes a compatibility layer for users to run it in the full, strictest API 32 app sandbox with all the standard GrapheneOS enhancements. How does it handle Doze? In original Android, no app is allowed to keep a TCP connection open forever. And without that, FCM is…
Play Services requires its battery optimization to be set to unrestricted for FCM to work reliably. Other apps keeping a persistent background connection (e.g. Signal w/out Play Services) require the same thing, so this is not specific to Play Services
> FWIW, I have one metric (a rather stupid one, I agree)
Why do you bring it up then? The amount or frequency of data transfer has zero indication of negative privacy impact. What private data could possibly be sent since Play Services doesn't have any privileged access on GrapheneOS?
> "Google services" are 100MB+ proprietary code, sending god knows what to Google
See my above comment.
> I'm guessing you're speaking of microg implementation when you say "roll back the security model".
He has already stated how microG allows signature spoofing which directly directly breaks the Android security model. But CalyxOS breaks the security model further: it also includes the F-Droid and Aurora privileged extensions which give the corresponding apps special privileges to install apps without user interaction. The proper way to do this (without breaking the security model) is to use the Android 12 API for unprivileged, unattended updates.
> Just like the biggest (or maybe second or third, I don't really track that) corporation in the world on their flagship, while they are 50000 times smaller?
It's not okay to stop shipping security updates for 4 months just because someone else is doing it. GrapheneOS shipped those updates with a team of only 5 developers. If CalyxOS cared at all about security and privacy, they would at a bare minimum meet the latest Android patch level and not break the Android security model.
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To be fair, the lead dev of graphene os has been crying wolf about stuff like this for ages. For example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7CZ-2Bajg Now, i really like Graphene OS. I consider my Pixel 3a with Graphene OS one of my, if not my most secure device. And the work they do is great. But man, Daniel Mackay would be well advised to reorganize how he interacts with his community and perhaps take some mental hea…
This feels like a very DARVO type of comment. Trying to maintain vigilance against spammers and gore raids on their Matrix channel is grueling enough, then to have people say "you're doing it wrong" is just insult to injury.
It's very obvious if you take a little time to look into it, especially the techlore video, that these continuing conflicts are not good for the well being of Daniel himself and the Graphene OS community as a whole.
I say this, with genuine respect for his work and with worry about his personal well being: The world isn't gonna change for him and if he want's to escape this situation and enjoy a better quality of life while doing what he obviously loves, he will need to find better ways to cope with these kinds of situations and interactions.
It doesn't matter if he is 100% right and he's the white knight fighting the evil matrix raiders and spammers. These Twitter Threads are not going to make these raids any less likely in the future. I worry he's going to end up like terry davis. brilliant programmer, eccentric in his own way and abused as a lol-cow for /g/ and that would be a shame, because graphene OS is pretty sweet.
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This feels like a very DARVO type of comment. Trying to maintain vigilance against spammers and gore raids on their Matrix channel is grueling enough, then to have people say "you're doing it wrong" is just insult to injury.
What a laughable response. Daniels' Responses and Twitter Threads and the way he argues obviously invokes more and more flamewars, raids and stressful situations. It's very obvious if you take a little time to look into it, especially the techlore video, that these continuing conflicts are not good for the well being of Daniel himself and the Graphene OS community as a whole. I say this, with genuine respect for his…
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You're claiming no mods were around when Nicolas Merrill was right there in the middle of the conversation? It's blatantly not true. Screenshot is here for everyone to see: https://twitter.com/DanielMicay/status/1511639628637511681 You shouldn't lie about things that are so easily disproven. The main thing you disallow in your rooms are people defending GrapheneOS against your misinformation and libel. Those are the…
Geez, it's one message, there was more after it, when no mods were around. I can't speak on behalf of Nick of course. I woke up, saw it, and banned those people. We don't allow people to do this for any project, ever. What else can even be done, there's thousands of people on the channel, and moderation is hard and time consuming. People on the internet say things, you can't keep attributing it to us always. Somebody…
You frequently make false accusations against us, and that is a major part of your contribution to the libel and harassment targeting us. You fabricate stories and pretend as if you're victims of some indescribable toxicity. Debunking your claims and telling people about your abuse is not itself abuse or toxic.
Moderators across a bunch of different communities are increasingly noticing that every post about GrapheneOS is brigaded by people spreading the inaccurate talking points you have largely come up with yourselves.
You've invested heavily in character assassination and libel against me including contributing to extreme harassment and bullying perpetrated by core members of your community that you openly talk to on a daily basis. You're doing it right here, falsely claiming you folks haven't been extensively involved in it and denying what people can plainly see from the logs.
> Geez, it's one message, there was more after it, when no mods were around. I can't speak on behalf of Nick of course.
It's not one message. I don't know why you continue lying about this. It was hours of discussion where Nick was frequently involved, and where he openly encouraged and talked to people who were at the same time harassing us and raiding our rooms.
You only care about getting your community members to bring their high level of abusive behavior and toxicity to our rooms and platforms like this instead of yours. You're more than happy to allow dozens of people involved in actively harassing us, waging a misinformation war and spamming our rooms to be members of your community. You're more than happy to regularly chat with folks who have repeatedly told me to kill myself and engaged in severe harassment and libel. We have archives of evidence to prove it, and we're actively contacting other organizations and conferences to share that evidence. Persistent abusers like yourself and Nick do not belong in this industry. Again, this is the path you chose working with the people you did in such an unscrupulous way where you built your project on misinformation, libel and harassment.
We are not attributing the actions of other people to you. These are your actions. This is the path you chose and continued to double down on. You've built a highly toxic community engaged in these attacks across platforms. You've built your community with partnerships with highly abusive people like Techlore. You're involved in these attacks yourself, and part of that is pretending that you aren't and that we are somehow the aggressors for being targeted by you in this way and talking to our community about this.
There's some sort of battle happening between the devs of Graphene and Calyx as we speak: https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1511593168667611139?s=...
A random joining a channel and exclaiming victory over a raid does not make Nick or CalyxOS guilty of anything. This looks more like subterfuge from the GrapheneOS side to place blame on Calyx. CalyxOS is a victim of bullying here. I have seen both sides discuss and I have never seen Nick or cdesai tell the community to attack GrapheneOS. Look at the new HN accounts and how strcat (Daniel Micay) responds in this thre…
There is no subterfuge going on here and CalyxOS community members repeatedly engaging in libel and bullying targeting us while trying to present themselves as the victims isn't going to work.
It's you folks being highly unprofessional and downright abusive. Moderators across multiple platforms have noticed the coordinated misinformation campaigns from CalyxOS and are beginning to crack down on it. It's not working out for you and you're destroying the reputation of your project and community in your continued attempts to harm us in any way possible.