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One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by pests »

AlbinoDaffy wrote: post #238
latchkey wrote: post #199

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Speaking of controlled narratives, I'd like to see the source code to their bots so that this experiment can be reproduced. I'm not saying that they didn't just make up the article, but how do we know? How do we know their bots didn't have bugs in them that pushed the results in favor of the tone of the article?

While no the answer you are expecting, but the answer nonetheless. If you have android phone (or android emulator wink wink, nudge nudge), you can install modded TikTok client[1], which has a bunch of settings. The one you are looking for is "- Remove most of regional restrictions". Change your region to russland, and try scrolling it for yourself. If you are an advanced enough programmer, you can check out the chang…

You must have something wrong in your last paragraph.

Russia can't upload new things at all. There is nothing about the show from Russians to show.

Russia's are also not being shown new Ukraine videos. This is as designed as mentioned and as you know due to technical-implemnted regional bubbles.

What were you saying in your last two sentences?

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by pydry »

mda wrote: post #316
pydry wrote: post #256

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RT didnt fire the director general for not towing the line on Iraqs WMDs.

Oh I am pretty sure any member of RT would face a much more interesting punishment if they decide to go against their owners will.

For sure, but the principle is the same. Neither is independent.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by VoodooJuJu »

A lot of people are praising this article's design, but I personally did not appreciate it. I get it - it's a TikTok story that's made to look and work like TikTok, probably made to appeal to the TikTok class. As one who prefers clear prose over "consoom the content!" video snippets and soundbites, I felt distracted from the message by all the dynamic media.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by kasey_junk »

d0mine wrote: post #346
kasey_junk wrote: post #260

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Ridder Famously debunked the justifications for the Iraq war at the time they were being spread. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/18/sergei-lavrov-... The Russians view Fox News as a balanced news source. Walter Kronkite, perhaps the most famous TV anchor in US history was publicly against the Vietnam war https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Cronkite

Is there an example of the media that still exist today? Iraq war is where "embed" journalism became the only acceptable source where journalists were killed by US.

That link about Fox News is from two weeks ago.

Fox News is the most widely watched news network in the US.

Tucker Carlson has the highest rated show on that network and has taken an anti-Ukraine stance.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by kannanvijayan »

watwut wrote: post #347
kannanvijayan wrote: post #331

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These are insightful and deep thoughts indeed :) > I've no problem calling putin a corrupt politician. Just like I have no problem calling zelensky or biden or trump a corrupt politician. Don't forget Pol Pot. These politicians are all the same. I'm reminded of murderers Oscar Pistorious and Jeffrey Dahmer. Likewise the terrorism of the French Resistance and Osama Bin Laden. What a unique and valuable perspective to…

While I agree on the larger point, this thing struck me. > Likewise the terrorism of the French Resistance and Osama Bin Laden. I mean, Robespierre probably killed more people and not exactly for better reasons. Reign of terror was exactly what the name implies.

I believe you are thinking of the French revolution, not resistance. The latter term is generally used to refer to resistance against the Vichy administration.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by watwut »

kannanvijayan wrote: post #355
watwut wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree on the larger point, this thing struck me. > Likewise the terrorism of the French Resistance and Osama Bin Laden. I mean, Robespierre probably killed more people and not exactly for better reasons. Reign of terror was exactly what the name implies.

I believe you are thinking of the French revolution, not resistance. The latter term is generally used to refer to resistance against the Vichy administration.

You are right, I have misread that word.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by ithkuil »

pjc50 wrote: post #277
MrYellowP wrote: post #269

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Do you actually believe anyone else gets accurate news? Because that thought's beyond ridiculous.

How accurate do you want it to be? Picking a random story from the BBC front page, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-61002096 , what do you think is inaccurate about it? Do you think the MD has not resigned? That there have not been queues? That they have mistaken the names of people involved? That Manchester does not in fact exist and is a liberal conspiracy? (The main problem with political news is d…

shower thought: could we improve things if we set up new rules for media so that we more clearly demarcate "descriptions of what happened" from "opinions and interpretations" and "projections and speculation"?

I intentionally didn't call "descriptions of what happened" as "facts", because that would sidetrack the discussion on how to determine what's true or not etc. Just force media to clearly separate "here's what our reporters saw" from "here's what they think it means"

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by pphysch »

philliphaydon wrote: post #321
pphysch wrote: post #163

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Does TikTok mark Washington's enemies with big "X-state affiliated media" warnings while omitting them for American-state affiliated media?

Which media is controlled by the state in the US? Or are you implying the lack of 'Russia funded media' on Fox?

Directly, USAGM controls VoA, RFE/RL, RFA, etc. Wikipedia allows these as "reliable sources". Twitter doesn't tag them.

The current CEO of NPR is a former USAGM exec. PBS FRONTLINE has unprecedented access to interviewing top DoD/State officials for stories that advance their agendas. Interesting.

Indirectly, all the establishment media has close ties to national security. NYT admitted that potentially sensitive stories need to get screened by the government before publishing. That's state control over media where it counts.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by MrYellowP »

ShivShankaran wrote: post #265
Zanfa wrote: post #242

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It's not though, so your point is irrelevant.

so what's your response to Ukraine banning all left wing parties even the ones that won popular votes? What about panama papers proving zelensky and ukrainian politicians having twice as many illegal activities as whole or russia? and ghost of kiev or the snake island bombing or the tank dude or the other million of fake news being peddled

You can't use "What about", because that makes people shut their already extremely underutilized brains off ... even more so when it comes to all the far worse shit the US have done over the course of decades. Generally, though, you simply can not disagree with the content the masses consume, because obviously you must be wrong.

People are stupid.

In the same breathe you can, in fact, never ever bring up how genuinely worse the US is compared to any other country on this planet, while actually sparking a useful discussion. You do not find such conversations on the top, be it here, on reddit or on any level where it is actually both useful and spreading.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by arendtio »

sdfhbdf wrote: post #4

This article is well made and uncovers very interesting thing. I love how it was technically put together, browsing it on mobile was a great experience, chapeaux bas, i love how great new formats are available to publishers in the digital era outside of serving autoplaying ads. On thing that caught my attention was the supposed USCentric approach since it counted a distance in miles. I also wonder whether it was tran…

> I love how it was technically put together, browsing it on mobile was a great experience, chapeaux bas

Actually, my experience was the exact opposite on a desktop. First, I landed on a black page which showed some video for less than a second and afterwards the page didn't respond anymore. After switching from Firefox to Chromium, the page probably worked as it was intended.

Nevertheless, scrolling with a mouse I landed somewhere between the right positions. So I tried using the buttons on the left and while the positions, I landed were much better, it felt very awkward to continuously press buttons on the left while my hand was on the right (might be good for left-handed people). Furthermore, the videos played somewhat irritating, as if they continued playing when you went to the next part or paused a bit delayed. So when switching to a previous part you land somewhere in the middle of the clips.

So while admire the story, I didn't enjoy the experience.

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