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Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by majormajor »

ALittleLight wrote: post #815
colinmhayes wrote: post #752

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People have been begging for an edit button for a decade. And they haven't implemented it because it's a truly horrible idea. If you messed up your tweet delete it. If it's already got traction, then it shouldn't be changed, especially because the edit feature would mostly be used maliciously to cancel retweeters.

Retweet could show the version of the tweet as it was when it was retweeted. If you see a tweet that has a new revision ready you could see a "latest" link. If you see the latest version of a tweet with a version history you could see a "history" link which would show you a revision history.

We've suddenly turned a "simple" feature into something with potentially major architectural changes[0] on how retweeting works too, just in a few minutes here! I wonder what other dragons await the ... lucky ... engineers who will get to size this feature soon. ;)

[0] No idea how it works internally, but it would hardly surprise me if the lack of edit functionality caused early design decisions around stuff like this that would be pretty tough to unwind.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

colinmhayes wrote: post #752
fleddr wrote: post #678

I think people are really over-analyzing this move. I think it's motivated by prestige, not money, nor is free speech the heart of the matter. Twitter is a stagnant company. They have thousands of engineers that in the span of a decade don't seem to produce much at all, nothing visible or memorable anyway. Long-lasting Twitter problems (culture, spam, algorithm issues) never seem addressed. User growth is stagnating…

> People have been begging for an edit button for a decade. And they haven't implemented it because it's a truly horrible idea. If you messed up your tweet delete it. If it's already got traction, then it shouldn't be changed, especially because the edit feature would mostly be used maliciously to cancel retweeters.

> especially because the edit feature would mostly be used maliciously to cancel retweeters.

This could turn out to be a good thing in the long run: force the public to confront the fact that the commentary they are seeing may have, in fact, originally been on something entirely different than the context it is currently presented in.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by stevebmark »

fleddr wrote: post #678

I think people are really over-analyzing this move. I think it's motivated by prestige, not money, nor is free speech the heart of the matter. Twitter is a stagnant company. They have thousands of engineers that in the span of a decade don't seem to produce much at all, nothing visible or memorable anyway. Long-lasting Twitter problems (culture, spam, algorithm issues) never seem addressed. User growth is stagnating…

Twitter took out Clubhouse in about a week with what is now Twitter spaces. They've introduced Twitter Blue. Not that stagnant, and if you think it's stagnant, an edit button wouldn't be thing that changes that.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by mrighele »

ejb999 wrote: post #757
dieortin wrote: post #732

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In my experience Twitter is way more appealing to younger people than Facebook.

and tiktok is 100X more appealing to them than either of those. Facebook is for grandparents, twitter is for bots.

On twitter you can find lot of great people to follow; journalists, scientists, experts of any kind. If you are looking for information, you can find it.

The main issue is that all those diamonds are covered by an abundant amount of material of... let's just say lower quality, so the search can be long and tedious.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

HWR_14 wrote: post #804
tomcam wrote: post #786

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What if it’s accompanied with a history feature that shows all the tweet edits?

Yes. Because people won't look through the edit history for the same reason they don't read the fine print or studies that are cited. I'm pretty sure making it easier to misinterpret what tweets say is going to be even worse

> I'm pretty sure making it easier to misinterpret what tweets say is going to be even worse

Good. Let's stop pretending that meaning is contained in tweets.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by gfodor »

fleddr wrote: post #678

I think people are really over-analyzing this move. I think it's motivated by prestige, not money, nor is free speech the heart of the matter. Twitter is a stagnant company. They have thousands of engineers that in the span of a decade don't seem to produce much at all, nothing visible or memorable anyway. Long-lasting Twitter problems (culture, spam, algorithm issues) never seem addressed. User growth is stagnating…

Sounds like you’re saying Elon is lying when he says it’s about freedom of speech and open algorithms. Weird.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by http-teapot »

honkdaddy wrote: post #796
MisterSandman wrote: post #707

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> at the same time if Twitter as a company isn't really doing much, why do they have thousands of developers on staff? ...to keep the app running? New devices, new standards, a lot of things change that you need devs to keep up with. Also, what's up with people saying twitter is stagnant? They've added Spaces, Twitter Blue and Crypto Profile Pictures - all 3 massive features added to their product. They're all trash,…

FWIW, I have a close friend who worked on Twitter's "Health" team whose job at one point was building mini games for the support/moderation staff to play during company mandated breaks in between looking at racist tweets and CP. He coasted for a while then moved onto a job with more work. This is entirely anecdotal, but from the little I know from his couple months there, Twitter has no idea what to do with the huge…

I am an ex-Twitter engineer with long tenure. You are sharing hearsay. It's not worth very much.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by nopenopenopeno »

oneplane wrote: post #840
fleddr wrote: post #678

I think people are really over-analyzing this move. I think it's motivated by prestige, not money, nor is free speech the heart of the matter. Twitter is a stagnant company. They have thousands of engineers that in the span of a decade don't seem to produce much at all, nothing visible or memorable anyway. Long-lasting Twitter problems (culture, spam, algorithm issues) never seem addressed. User growth is stagnating…

The two word combination "Free speech" is so Americanised that it needs a bunch of asterisks to define what it's supposed to mean. Is it the legal thing where the government isn't allowed to arbitrarily censor citizens? Or is it the "I want everything I think to be received by everyone" that a good chunk of people seem to think it means? Or is it "I want to be a dick and everyone has to keep dealing with my shit"? As…

It means nobody is allowed to police public discourse and that anyone who wants to be a dick can be a dick and if others don’t want to deal with it they can ignore it.

The only complications have always been situations where private enterprise dominates or impedes on public discourse.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by planetsprite »

memish wrote: post #699
fleddr wrote: post #678

I think people are really over-analyzing this move. I think it's motivated by prestige, not money, nor is free speech the heart of the matter. Twitter is a stagnant company. They have thousands of engineers that in the span of a decade don't seem to produce much at all, nothing visible or memorable anyway. Long-lasting Twitter problems (culture, spam, algorithm issues) never seem addressed. User growth is stagnating…

He could do that with any number of stagnant companies. Think bigger picture. Tesla: Sustainable transport SpaceX: Becoming a multiplanetary species Twitter: Free speech in the public square IMO it's actually the most important mission of the 3 since it's the basis for societal progress.

Here's a more sane interpretation of Musk's "mission" for these companies:

Tesla: Gimmicky electric cars as a status symbol

SpaceX: Maximizing profits on government space contracts

Twitter: Tactical manipulation of stock prices

All of them are about increasing Musk's clout and net worth.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by whimsicalism »

nopenopenopeno wrote: post #848
oneplane wrote: post #840

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The two word combination "Free speech" is so Americanised that it needs a bunch of asterisks to define what it's supposed to mean. Is it the legal thing where the government isn't allowed to arbitrarily censor citizens? Or is it the "I want everything I think to be received by everyone" that a good chunk of people seem to think it means? Or is it "I want to be a dick and everyone has to keep dealing with my shit"? As…

It means nobody is allowed to police public discourse and that anyone who wants to be a dick can be a dick and if others don’t want to deal with it they can ignore it. The only complications have always been situations where private enterprise dominates or impedes on public discourse.

Sure, now you're just laundering the explanation into what public discourse is.
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