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Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by HWR_14 »

olliej wrote: post #770
pengaru wrote: post #759

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> Twitter does what it does and people like it (as seen by the fact that they all use it) Last I checked not even half the US population is on twitter, not even close to half. Who is this "all" in "they all use it?"

The 217 million active daily users? It is "only" $~80 million in the US, I'd love to know how a quarter of the US population using it daily represents an insignificant user base.

What percentage of those 80 million users are individuals vs companies or bots?

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by mensetmanusman »

ejb999 wrote: post #757
dieortin wrote: post #732

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In my experience Twitter is way more appealing to younger people than Facebook.

and tiktok is 100X more appealing to them than either of those. Facebook is for grandparents, twitter is for bots.

I wonder how appealing tiktok will remain after the brains are fried from all the blinking lights :)

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by systemvoltage »

yupper32 wrote: post #754
systemvoltage wrote: post #545

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They're not slaves. They have choice. In fact, an unending list of jobs available in the tech industry. Why is it Tesla's / SpaceX fault for being a cool company for many people to work at and they're willing to take a pay cut? It is 100% their choice. There is absolutely no counter argument here that I can see. I am trying.

I was responding to someone asking how they're different than any other tech company. They're known for underpaying and overworking people. That's how they're different than most others. The implication being that if Twitter switched to that culture, then it'd generally be a really bad thing for most of those who currently work there, since they did not sign up for that.

How is this different from M&A or company going bankrupt or getting laid off? Are you saying the software engineers and fully functioning adults that work at Twitter are unaware of this and would be betrayed? They totally signed up for it and has been compensated well for the risks they take and the services they provide.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by HWR_14 »

tomcam wrote: post #786
colinmhayes wrote: post #752

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> People have been begging for an edit button for a decade. And they haven't implemented it because it's a truly horrible idea. If you messed up your tweet delete it. If it's already got traction, then it shouldn't be changed, especially because the edit feature would mostly be used maliciously to cancel retweeters.

What if it’s accompanied with a history feature that shows all the tweet edits?

Yes. Because people won't look through the edit history for the same reason they don't read the fine print or studies that are cited. I'm pretty sure making it easier to misinterpret what tweets say is going to be even worse

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by qsdf38100 »

fleddr wrote: post #678

I think people are really over-analyzing this move. I think it's motivated by prestige, not money, nor is free speech the heart of the matter. Twitter is a stagnant company. They have thousands of engineers that in the span of a decade don't seem to produce much at all, nothing visible or memorable anyway. Long-lasting Twitter problems (culture, spam, algorithm issues) never seem addressed. User growth is stagnating…

> A perfect target for Musk to come in, do a few sweeping changes, and get out. Thereby proving once again that he gets shit done where others can't. Case closed.

Typical musk cult bullshit. I'm sorry, it sounds so wrong it makes me questions your honesty here.

He won't "do a few sweeping changes and get out". The only shit he will get done is abusing his influence over the top of the hierarchy to slowly but surely get more control over what gets fed to twitter users. Remember how Facebook has been crucial for election manipulation over the world? Now Musk gets to play this game too.

By the way, that's how he took over Tesla from its original founders. He invested an amount of money large enough so that he could force his way into becoming CEO. Then he fired the few remaining people who could oppose him.

So, no, he's not going to get out. Your post sounds more like "nothing to see here" than anything else. There's a big thing to see here. The richest US person calmly and openly taking over one of the largest social network in the world.

It's not over-analyzing, it's obvious. But in our troubled times such things are somehow happening in plain sight and nobody bats an eye.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by manquer »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #363
manquer wrote: post #211

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He filed 13g instead of 13d. Any activist investors who want to influence the course of the company get involved in proxy fights , change the board should not file 13g that is only for passive investment. There was discussion yesterday whether him polling his followers last week about twitter and social media was activism. Joining the board certainly is.

My question is why?? 13d doesn't seem to make a difference so why file the other.

It requires a lot more details and you have to disclose your intentions more clearly.

He has already signed a separate agreement with twitter that he won’t go over 14 % .

Twitter has always been ripe for being targeted for a takeover it is one of the smallest social media companies it is worth only 35-40B compared to say Facebook (900+B) or TikTok (400B) and it has enormous presence and daily active users. Snapchat is not very far in valuation, but has less reach, Reddit is growing and raised the last round at $10B post but is still private and not that easy take control of. The other attractive factor the founder is no longer actively involved.

Sooner or later someone was going to attempt take over and try to improve its monetizing strategy and generate more value. 3x-5x their MCap is well within the realm of possibility for twitter if executed to a good vision.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by flavius29663 »

TameAntelope wrote: post #541
Jtype wrote: post #538

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Sure, banning users from posting a published news story is "permissive".

Since when is "published" a meaningful quality barrier to content? Any idiot with a WP site can "publish" a "news story". Besides, if I reply to your tweet, "My child just died in a fire." with an article about how fire deaths are among the most painful ways to die, it doesn't really matter much how "published" that "news story" is, it's hateful and has no place on the Internet.

There was a ban hammer for breaking out the news that Hunter Biden lost a laptop , containing sensitive emails and compromising photos. Twitter even blocked NYPost for this. 1 year later both NYTimes and WAPO both reported the laptop as real (and at least some damaging emails as real too) - that kind of news story. This kind of ban does not belong in a democratic society, it's a banana republic move.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by KennyBlanken »

fleddr wrote: post #716
HeavyStorm wrote: post #694

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Yeah, I was thinking exactly that. Assuming that this is the case - that Musk is joining as a savior - is silly. He doesn't fit the profile nor has the track record for that. He may be a visionary (whatever that means), but a excellent, renowned executive that revitalizes companies, heck, that really has never been the case.

Strange that both of you would say that. He's a ruthless result-driven executive that doesn't accept excuses. If it's at all impossible for something to get done, he'll get it done. I'm not at all a fan of him, but his power is in execution. A vision is worthless.

His power is in blood diamond money from mummy and daddy during apartheid. His power is in ignoring regulations and laws he doesn't like. His power is in being a modern-day version of PT Barnum.

Execution and result-driven like that giant coffin-box he tried to claim could be used to rescue boys from a cave where rescuers were swimming through spaces so narrow they couldn't wear their diving gear?

Result-driven, power-in-execution executive who took a decade to build a luxury car that had initial quality, paint, NVH, and interior quality equal to an economy sedan made by Ford or Honda. His cars often literally don't line up the same way on the right side as they do on the left. Oh, and also about a decade to get the motor/drivetrain unit on the Model S to not destroy itself every 10,000-20,000 miles. It still can't handle being driven through too large a puddle without ingesting water through the speedo sensor port...

Autopilot routinely "phantom brakes", and FSD "Beta" likes to drive at telephone poles, veer at cyclists, and pedestrians standing on street corners.

I wish I could find the article describing his efforts to get the model 3 production fixed. Endless issues because the robots weren't assembling the cars precisely enough. He was told they needed to go back to workers assembling the cars. Ran around screaming profanity at people, demanding they fix automation. Bunch of people got up and quit to his face.

Months more of delays and issues until he finally listened to someone who had been saying all along that they needed to grow capacity by having more people assembling the cars. Boom, production volume and quality issues gone.

Musk is a rich man-baby who has relied on shouting at people to get things done.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by twofornone »

colinmhayes wrote: post #756
nickstinemates wrote: post #596

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Honest question: have any far left politicians/celebrities/blue checkmark people been banned from twitter?

Which far leftists do you think have done things on twitter similar to what caused far rightists to be banned?

Casual racism directed at white people is common and goes unpunished, for starters.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Post by Vladimof »

tomcam wrote: post #786
colinmhayes wrote: post #752

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People have been begging for an edit button for a decade. And they haven't implemented it because it's a truly horrible idea. If you messed up your tweet delete it. If it's already got traction, then it shouldn't be changed, especially because the edit feature would mostly be used maliciously to cancel retweeters.

What if it’s accompanied with a history feature that shows all the tweet edits?

It depends how it is implemented
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