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Re: The next Google

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Post by lupire » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 6:45 PM UTC

ryandrake wrote: post #106

superasn wrote: post #89

Google can be the next Google if they just stopped being evil for a second: 1. Let me ban domains like pinterest, quora, stackoverflow clones, stock image sites, etc without requiring a chrome extension. 2. Do what I ask it to do. Don't be too smart. Bring back the plus sign, minus sign, double quotes, tilde which have been deprecated over these years and stop polluting the results with what it thinks I want. 3. A ne…

4. How about an image search that... actually returns the URL of the raw image? Here's a dead simple use case that is just unnecessarily frustrating. As a user, I want a high res picture of a buffalo. So: a. I do an image search for "buffalo" and the results page contains thumbnails of buffalos. b. I click the first result, it's tagged with "nationalgeographic.com" so it's probably gonna be good. Instead of the image…

Yes, everyone likes content better when they don't have to pay for it, all else equal. But content IP owners don't want to make content for free.

Re: The next Google

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Post by dannywarner » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 6:45 PM UTC

polote wrote: post #96

None of the examples explained here impress me (with maybe the exception of Goggles by brave search). - The first example is not much more than Google with a styling chrome extension - The second doesnt bring anything more than Google when you are searching about webcontent. Some ideas on filters are interesting but this is not user friendly - You is powered by AI, so it is basicaly giving not what you want except wh…

Did you try Andi search? It returns full search results alongside the answer and has full preview content for many of the websites, and the content is from the websites not Google or Bing's snippets. It's completely different to the way you described it.

My biggest problem with it is that the alpha version still has errors and is weak for searches like local businesses. Also, big problem is I'm in Australia and everything is in imperial units. Having said that, however, I've been using it since it became available a few weeks ago and it has already improved a surprising amount. And the question answering if you ask specific-enough questions can blow your mind.

Re: The next Google

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Post by booi » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 6:45 PM UTC

superasn wrote: post #99

annexrichmond wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they can include these features in a premium service, and call it... Google+?

I know your comment is tongue-in-cheek but I happily pay for Youtube premium and it's truly an amazing experience compared to the ad-ridden non-usable free Youtube. If Google created a similar Google premium where it had such features and no pesky ads I'd pay for it in a heartbeat.

Me too. and Youtube premium is insanely expensive for what it is.

Re: The next Google

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Post by joering2 » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 6:46 PM UTC

qeternity wrote: post #30

GoatOfAplomb wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, but I think there's probably a profitable business to be made out of 1% of Google Search's users.

I think you’re still off by an order or magnitude (or two). It might plenty to create a nice business, but a bit absurd to call it the next Google.

I'm longing for categorized YouTube site... When doing home project I can navigate with tabs: home -> security -> outside cam installation -> softfit mounted -> how to strip softfit / how to run cable / how to drill and patch cables hole etc.

Could be Wikipedia-style cultivated if enough people know and care.

Re: The next Google

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Post by lupire » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 6:46 PM UTC

superasn wrote: post #99

annexrichmond wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they can include these features in a premium service, and call it... Google+?

I know your comment is tongue-in-cheek but I happily pay for Youtube premium and it's truly an amazing experience compared to the ad-ridden non-usable free Youtube. If Google created a similar Google premium where it had such features and no pesky ads I'd pay for it in a heartbeat.

Google already did it, and killed it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Contributor

Re: The next Google

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Post by arecurrence » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 6:47 PM UTC

ryandrake wrote: post #106

superasn wrote: post #89

Google can be the next Google if they just stopped being evil for a second: 1. Let me ban domains like pinterest, quora, stackoverflow clones, stock image sites, etc without requiring a chrome extension. 2. Do what I ask it to do. Don't be too smart. Bring back the plus sign, minus sign, double quotes, tilde which have been deprecated over these years and stop polluting the results with what it thinks I want. 3. A ne…

4. How about an image search that... actually returns the URL of the raw image? Here's a dead simple use case that is just unnecessarily frustrating. As a user, I want a high res picture of a buffalo. So: a. I do an image search for "buffalo" and the results page contains thumbnails of buffalos. b. I click the first result, it's tagged with "nationalgeographic.com" so it's probably gonna be good. Instead of the image…

Alas, Getty sued that experience into oblivion https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/02/internet-rages-after...

Re: The next Google

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Post by paulpauper » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 6:47 PM UTC

The future search engine will look for content that is produced by humans . We don't need more info for the sake of having info. we need info that we can assume has been produced by an actual sentient being.

Re: The next Google

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Post by adventured » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 6:47 PM UTC

legohead wrote: post #98

I just went on a mini vacation to Vegas, and was thinking how nice it would be to just call up someone and ask for some simple advice. I did a bunch of online research before I booked things, but man was it painful. There are so many copy-cat blogs who just throw together a bunch of basic information with no real research done in order to get those clicks/adwords. For example: best hotel pool in vegas. Seems simple e…

I agree with everything you said about the spam blog problem.

And yet Travelocity (and others) would have told you how terrible Circus Circus is in five minutes or less.

22,000 reviews, 3.2 stars out of 5, among the worst in Vegas (among major hotels) with a gigantic number of reviews. Its room rate alone helps you to begin immediately forming a good conclusion about its quality. This isn't a subtle thing.

Oh, but that's not realiable, one might say. Yes it is. It does a great job of approximating the quality of the hotel in question, and it's an exceptionally easy and fast means to narrow with. It isn't a perfect approach (is it really a 3.1 or 3.3 star quality?!?) and doesn't need to be, it just needs to let you know that Circus Circus is garbage, and it does exactly that.

Re: The next Google

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Post by sytelus » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 6:48 PM UTC

Next Google isn’t going to be index based search engine. Imagine a massive distributed neutral model which has digested billions of pages. The query isn’t going to be keyword-ish like “kids cough medicine” but rather question with all details like “what is least problematic over the counter good cough medicine for a 9 year old with asthma”. The results aren’t going to be bunch of links but rather aggregation, summary and organized composed information from various sources with citations. Imagine if a human had read all the pages and you asked him the same question.

I would also predict search to be much more compute intensive and therefore more expensive. The ad model is likely not going to be sufficient to pay for compute resources.

Re: The next Google

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Post by chrisshroba » Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 6:48 PM UTC

legohead wrote: post #98

I just went on a mini vacation to Vegas, and was thinking how nice it would be to just call up someone and ask for some simple advice. I did a bunch of online research before I booked things, but man was it painful. There are so many copy-cat blogs who just throw together a bunch of basic information with no real research done in order to get those clicks/adwords. For example: best hotel pool in vegas. Seems simple e…

I find reddit works remarkably well for this. I've gotten great actionable recommendations within an hour or two for:

- good coffeeshops

- tacos

- Korean grocery stores

- places that have traditional style al pastor tacos

- finding a specific coffee brand at a local grocery store

- finding EDM songs similar to a particular song (dullscythe)

- hot chicken

- canolis

and a bunch more similar things. I would think if you posted to the /r/vegas subreddit asking about the coolest hotel pool in vegas, you'd get a bunch of up to date info.