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Re: The next Google

#91

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There is no way you can trust an info box to give you that information. Providing links is the only thing that scales, since you can delegate the aggregation work to specialists and you van verify the source.

Never mind the creators of those sites. Do they really want the Reader's Digest version of their pages scraped and presented to a user without getting the click?

clicks == value is a big structural failure in the current web

Re: The next Google

#92

> DuckDuckGo and Bing are not true alternatives – they’re just worse versions of Google. I disagree. I use Bing for about half of my searching because Google simply struggles with things like exact phrase matching in many cases. Where Google falls off, Bing tends to succeed. Though Bing also sometimes lags behind, where Google tends to do better, hence my split usage.

Why not just use DDG as an interface?

DDG is basically just a wrapper around Bing. I'd rather just use Bing directly

Re: The next Google

#93

Google can be the next Google if they just stopped being evil for a second: 1. Let me ban domains like pinterest, quora, stackoverflow clones, stock image sites, etc without requiring a chrome extension. 2. Do what I ask it to do. Don't be too smart. Bring back the plus sign, minus sign, double quotes, tilde which have been deprecated over these years and stop polluting the results with what it thinks I want. 3. A ne…

Maybe they can include these features in a premium service, and call it... Google+?

Re: The next Google

#94

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Seems the first of these can be solved by reducing the scope. Do you really need a data center to run a search engine? Overall it seems very rare anyone ever considers this an engineering problem. Really, what's stopping you from running a search engine?

Really? Or are you the one I should have refrained from feeding. But if you must know: First you need to collect a lot of content from the internet. From many different sites. With very different types of code structure. Broken html. More often than not behind some SPA JS code. Behind robots.txt files and bot protection efforts. So the first problem to solve would be building a crawler at scale. That is able to crawl…

Since you didn't seem to notice the username: you are replying to a person who developed a search engine alone. (So be prepared to applaud.)

Re: The next Google

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A paid search engine? Bold. I'd pay if it could do anything close to what the old google code search could do. I miss it every day.

It's actually so good I plan to pay when they start charging.

Same. I switched to it for a day just to give it a try and I never switched back. Absolutely willing to pay if the quality stays the same.

Re: The next Google

#96
None of the examples explained here impress me (with maybe the exception of Goggles by brave search).

- The first example is not much more than Google with a styling chrome extension

- The second doesnt bring anything more than Google when you are searching about webcontent. Some ideas on filters are interesting but this is not user friendly

- You is powered by AI, so it is basicaly giving not what you want except when you ask for the general case (the case Google works pretty well for)

- Andi is a chatbot. Which is basically Google + only the first answer

Brave Search Goggles, (what most people call collections, what Pinterest calls a board, what Twitter call List) is for me what is going to be the real innovation of search Engine. They are a way to bring collaboration to enrich content, but nobody has cracked the UX to make it work yet

Re: The next Google

#97

Google won because they started early and had a right algorithm. They then had the scale to grow with the internet. It would be very hard to start a new general-purpose search engine now (capital, monopoly, tech) Nobody seems to have The Next Big Idea for a better search engine yet.

LMMs are the next big idea for search.

What's an LMM?

Re: The next Google

#98
I just went on a mini vacation to Vegas, and was thinking how nice it would be to just call up someone and ask for some simple advice. I did a bunch of online research before I booked things, but man was it painful. There are so many copy-cat blogs who just throw together a bunch of basic information with no real research done in order to get those clicks/adwords.

For example: best hotel pool in vegas. Seems simple enough. Circus Circus actually has a waterslide, but if you dive deeper (read a hundred reviews manually) you find out parts are often shut down, and the hotel itself is quite trashy and smells bad and has bad service (explains the really cheap room rate). But do you find that information on blogs? No way, they just include all the hotels with pools and copy in the verbiage directly from the hotel websites or other blogs.

There's probably an actual traveler blog out there that tells you all this and has great information, but it's hidden by all the SEO optimized trash blogs.

And this example can be applied to so many things we do all the time. Try to find a product you want on Amazon without spending half a day sorting through reviews and trash blogs.

So, personally, I think the future will be actual human service. I'd pay a few bucks to call up a service to answer these questions definitively for me.

Re: The next Google

#99

Google can be the next Google if they just stopped being evil for a second: 1. Let me ban domains like pinterest, quora, stackoverflow clones, stock image sites, etc without requiring a chrome extension. 2. Do what I ask it to do. Don't be too smart. Bring back the plus sign, minus sign, double quotes, tilde which have been deprecated over these years and stop polluting the results with what it thinks I want. 3. A ne…

Maybe they can include these features in a premium service, and call it... Google+?

I know your comment is tongue-in-cheek but I happily pay for Youtube premium and it's truly an amazing experience compared to the ad-ridden non-usable free Youtube. If Google created a similar Google premium where it had such features and no pesky ads I'd pay for it in a heartbeat.

Re: The next Google

#100

I think 'more customization' which is a theme with a lot of these alternatives is a fundamental dead end. I don't know where this persistent myth comes from that people love choice and tinkering, because they clearly don't. There's a huge cost associated with having to make choices, and one feature of successful modern apps is that they're frictionless. That's why TikTok is so successful. There's no login, no user ch…

> a simple box where you put a question in and it gives you answers Google is very good at this, but this is exactly what I _don't_ want in the "Next Google". I want a _search engine_ for the web, not an answers engine that tries to know what I want better than I do. Search the web. Give me links to websites. This seems obvious to me, but everyone is trying to be like Google. I'm convinced the death of the web and in…

The death of the web is because most people don't want what you want. They don't mind walled gardens, so long as they are easy to use and have the content and connections that they want to see.

The audience of HN is extremely skewed towards preferring systems that allow tinkering but that's not what the market wants.

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