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Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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This is great news! Twitter and the rest of the rotten and censorious platforms could use a proper shake-up. Hope the authoritarians and political repressives and anyone who works on the content moderation team all resign in protest! Good riddance!

Very unclear if this should have ended in a /s or not - which is more of a reflection of the world in which we live in rather than the comment itself.

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Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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His companies compensate engineers below market, does he not? Also- weird take that both of your examples seem to focus on one specific genre of role. I’ve dealt with many more useless software engineering and product managers on a day-to-day basis than HR-types, who are there if you want/need to contact them or in the background if you don’t. Maybe Musk would benefit from them, actually …especially considering Tesla…

> His companies compensate engineers below market, does he not?

This varies by division. Auto Pilot for example is way over paying currently compared to peer companies. On average pay at Elon's companies is below what you'd get from FANG though.

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Or for Elon Musk, depends who you ask. HN is't a person's initials.

Puh-lease. Bias means tendency to lean a certain way, you can’t have bias in 2 opposite directions. The pro Elon crowd here is a minority. Something I’ll never understand, being that this is an entrepreneurial forum and Elon is the worlds best entrepreneur. Jealousy perhaps?

What I'm saying is that you can't reduce the whole site down to one made up measure of bias.

Maybe it is jealousy, maybe it's that he's a neurotic moron who's more than happy to try and ruin the careers of little people.

How many of the great entrepreneurs of history got embarrassed after their scheme doesn't work and call their competitor a paedophile? You can recognize his skills while also recognizing that he's not a very nice man.

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Praise for Elon tends to diminish the closer you get to him. He’s kind of notorious for being a bad boss; impulsive, poor temperament, and petty. Even if you like his achievements, chances are you would very much not enjoy having him as a boss.

Working for someone who transforms industries? Many do enjoy that very much, clearly. Amazing engineers, who can work anywhere they want, choose to work at SpaceX and Tesla. And we all benefit from the electrification of the grid and advances in space.

Bad human beings can still contribute good things. That doesn't excuse bad behavior.

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This. He lies constantly about his products, intentions and behaviors and faces no repercussions. But stocks go brr so who cares

Other than lying about timelines (Which I'm not sure I'd really call lies, he just hasn't learned how to set realistic timing on goals), what has he lied about? Like, I know he hasn't delivered on FSD (And I know he won't for a long time, which is why I didn't buy FSD when I bought my Model 3 in 2019), and the Cybertruck and Roadster have been very delayed, what has he lied about?

You yourself have admitted he lied about timelines. This is not a different category of lying. It's straight up lying about your products. And the world is not simply black and white. It's morally gray. You can lie about something once in a while and get away with it. But if you consistently lie about FSD capabilities, it's a pattern of willful deception.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/fsd-timeline-promise...

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I honestly could not care less. Steve Jobs was the same. I think you are criticizing the very things that made them great.

The idea workers have to suffer under "great men" to produce things of value is provably untrue and just an excuse by those "great men" to act in unacceptable ways, while taking credit for the work done by those people. A good CEO can of course provide value, but pretending they are alone responsible for success, and abusing staff is a good way to achieve that success is just wrong. Burning out passionate people is a…

If it were provably untrue then you would have proved your point. My opinion is not invalidated by your opinion.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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Is there a law akin to Godwin's or Sturgeon's about all social media trending toward some failure state? Several years ago I deleted all my FB content and then disabled my account. Looks like it's time to do that with my Twitter account now.

I didn't come up with it and I don't know if there is a name for it but here's a comment I wrote a while ago about how I model the decline of social media and other systems.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29977822

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"Un-woke" people are greater than or at least equally political compared to those you call "woke", is my experience from real life as well as internet encounters with them, so your longing for an apolitical Twitter/online public town square seems a pipe dream, I'm afraid.

Everyone is political. But “woke” people are like the old Christian right. They’re willing to use their control of institutions to prosthelytize their ideology in a way that ordinary liberals or conservatives aren’t.

it's not that woke people control the institutions - it's that companies see that they can run successful PR and marketing campaigns by espousing progressive values. Their boards don't give two shits about progressive values, but flying a rainbow flag during pride month doesn't require that they do anything, while gaining praise from liberals and criticism from conservatives, both of which are coverage/press.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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I give his tenure as CEO 6 months at most before he's forced out by the board, or resigns for ideological differences. The changing wind that Elon is going to usher in is going to be fundamental and sweeping, and I wouldn't be surprised to see an exodus of employees follow.

Elon is just one of the board directors. I was wondering why people believe that he will have such sweeping power to change Twitter.

That's what I'm thinking. Though he could likely, publicly get support you voting out other members.

Re: Elon Musk to join Twitter’s board of directors

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I wonder if this changes anything about the SEC ruling limiting what Musk can do on social media.

"What's your problem SEC? I can't buy a social media co and then say whatever I want on it, whenever I want? I thought this was 'merica", might plausibly be one of his defenses against any charges of market manipulation and what are they going to do, the SEC, since they have proved time and again how toothless they are?

Extremely powerful people do extremely stupid things. Examples:

- Trump ("Charge the White house!")

- Putin ("Invade Ukraine")

- Musk ("Make Twitter an absolute free speech platform!")

It's going to be fun to watch this over the next couple of months. And when I say "fun" I actually mean the exact opposite.

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