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One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Love that people are doing this research.

Maybe I'm delusional, but I found it positively surprising that: 1. The Ukrainian user saw videos about the war despite Russia and China wanting to suppress news around it, and I'm sure TikTok taking pressure around it. 2. It mostly isn't algorithmic deception, it's a byproduct of the fact that they had to turn off new video uploads in response to a crazy fake news law.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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>Ukrainian Nykolai gets to see men in military attire singing patriotic songs about loving Ukraine. Or talking about it being a man's duty to sign up for battle. >Russian Alexei sees a man tripping over in the water, a puppy patting a duckling on the head and some funny, homemade costumes. Is it just me or does the first one sound like propaganda and the second one sound like normal TikTok?

The number of people unwilling to accept and be critical of Ukrainian propaganda has been eye-opening to me.

The people that were just railing against “misinformation“ by their political opponents, have been happy to jump all over snake Island, ghost of Kyiv, Z dressed in uniform last year, higher Russian death rate than frontlines of World War II, and going out of their way to ignore neo-Nazi groups there.

No one has to be pro-Russia, to notice all the Ukrainian propaganda. Proves to me that everyone is full of shit when it comes to actual standards of acceptability.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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post #103

From the experiment they only change the IP addresses and no need to spoof the GPS?

I don't understand how they're able to just "change their IP" to something that's located in those 2 cities. How does that work, do they have someone running a proxy for them in those 2 locations?

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Isn't tiktok's whole thing that it shows you very personally curated content based on data about you including demographics and most users see different content? Wouldn't users from Ukraine and England or ones from Mexico and America also see different videos? Are the Ukrainian videos actually unavailable in Russian TikTok if you search for them? It seems obvious that as you watch more non-war stuff (which might be t…

Are you serious? In the time it took you to write this comment you could have actually read the article to find the exact answer to your question. It's basically the whole point of the post.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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My position is that Russia's Article 51 legal justification for the invasion is a stretch at best, but that the US policy of unnecessary, aggressive NATO expansion [1] baited Putin into this war whereas he was very clear Ukrainian NATO membership was a red line for him. We also made no effort to encourage Ukraine to honor the Minsk accords which would have almost certainly prevented this. If Mexico was hostile and Ru…

>> he was very clear Ukrainian NATO membership was a red line for him Whereas in the free world, no one, not even Putin, should and absolutely will not have a say in other nations agreements, because that is a preposterous idea that no supporter of democracy would even consider to be a valid stance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

#137

I feel like the premis is flawed. Maybe I am a boomer but who would excpect TikTok to provied unbiased news content? It is a chinese social media app. Use established media for news. And yes I know that is how people get content, I use Youtube and Twitch for political news and its just as bad. But this is on another level.

> Use established media for news.

And what if the topic is say, Hunter Biden’s laptop?

If you got your news solely from TikTok, you probably would have know that was real about 500 days before NYT and WaPo finally admitted it.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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>Ukrainian Nykolai gets to see men in military attire singing patriotic songs about loving Ukraine. Or talking about it being a man's duty to sign up for battle. >Russian Alexei sees a man tripping over in the water, a puppy patting a duckling on the head and some funny, homemade costumes. Is it just me or does the first one sound like propaganda and the second one sound like normal TikTok?

Does inability to explicitly find and watch Ukrainian videos from the Russian IP (see closer to the end of the article) sound like a normal Tiktok?

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My great hope in the early 2000s was that all you had to do was provide a route for information and the effect of propaganda would crumble once people had access to the truth. And, the internet did provide the route that did not exist before it just didnt matter. Truth is that people largely place trust in institutions and people they are used to and identify with, often for irrational reasons. People are prone to FU…

> Truth is that people largely place trust in institutions and people they are used to and identify with, often for irrational reasons. People are prone to FUD. Theyre lazy and passive. I think to a degree, this is a misunderstanding. The Russian approach to disinformation in particular does not sell the message "trust us!" - at least, not in the West. Instead, they push the message "trust nobody!" In fact, RT's slog…

Youre victim blaming, no? The problem is the lack of ethics of the people in the know, who are creating the propaganda, and tools and disinformation on behalf of the Robert Murdoch's in exchange for money. All this stuff is done by people like us.

We are the problem. Not the misinformed masses.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are parroting an old tired “it’s only protected speech when it’s the government meddling”, and to that I ask, did you not read the part where TikTok is doing this because the Russian government decided to jail people over “fake news”? Does this not constitute a textbook violation of the freedom of speech?

What freedom of speech? That freedom doesn't exist in two of the three countries involved here.

What is this reply? The complaint is that the freedom doesn't exist.

You seem to be implying that people just don't know, when it's exactly what they're talking about?

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