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Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay raise”, “slave labor”

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Restrooms Why?

Probably because there were a lot of people either complaining about the state of the restrooms (when people have to literally speed-shit because their lunch breaks are so short and the loos are on the opposite end of the warehouse, they won't clean up skid marks) or that they could not use restrooms at all due to said time constraints.

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and that's why smart sw eng should start transitioning into management...

Forget that, approaching 60, still code every day. Management is for those who have management skills and want to do it. Coding is for the rest of us who want it. Saw how strong software would be as a kid in the 1970's and realized it was an industry whose dynamics were unlike any other industry, ever.

I think it's one of the first industries, if not the first, that has the perfect combination of scalable output from workers, workers being potentially smarter than their bosses, and success being much less about relationships than skills, compared to many other industries.

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The scariest thing isn't that Amazon is a company worth nearly trillions and using that money to oppress workers to maintain their lead. It's that tech workers are happily applying to get a decent paycheck and crushing people under them, just to protect the company's billions. Then they'll post online about how happy they are to have been smart enough to save up to buy a lakefront home and retire at 45, and say peopl…

I wouldn't say that coders as an industry are destroying the road behind us, since there isn't really a road between "warehouse worker" and "software engineer", unless someone has the knack for coding (in which case there's a very clear and well-paved road within the company between those roles) I think the best solution is to empower workers via unions or whatever else. It should be impossible for workers to get gro…

Coders may not destroy the road behind us (the software highway) - but much of our effort is spent destroying the roads other people are on. This is called progress, of course - but Amazon's dismal warehouses are 100% a side effect of the extreme efficiency gains we enable and champion.

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Everyone says that Twitter can limit speech because it’s not the government and 1a isn’t at issue. So why is it different when a private corporation limits speech on their platform? Do you understand now why we think it’s a bad precedent?

Talking on Twitter is not legally protected.

Talking about unionization, wages and workplace conditions however is.

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> The major goal of the program, Amazon’s head of worldwide consumer business, Dave Clark, said, was to reduce employee attrition by fostering happiness among workers — and also productivity. Shout-Outs would be part of a gamified rewards system in which employees are awarded virtual stars and badges for activities that “add direct business value,” documents state. At the meeting, Clark remarked that “some people are…

I think the end goal of Amazon is to replace these employees with bot and to automate manual labour work. Until then all this is just ways to delay the unionization as much as possible.

Re: Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay raise”, “slave labor”

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I wouldn't say that coders as an industry are destroying the road behind us, since there isn't really a road between "warehouse worker" and "software engineer", unless someone has the knack for coding (in which case there's a very clear and well-paved road within the company between those roles) I think the best solution is to empower workers via unions or whatever else. It should be impossible for workers to get gro…

Massive salaries for programmers won’t last forever. Most people here on HN are self-taught; it’s a skill a large number of motivated people can pick up. Eventually, large corporations will feel comfortable lowering wages once they have a secure grip on the market, and the tools programmers today made will be used against the next generation. It’s no different from millennials resenting boomers for burning economic b…

"it’s a skill a large number of motivated people can pick up."

Define "large number". You can have millions of programmers and it still be a small fraction of the population at large. Sorry to say it, but a lot of people are never going to become coders - it's our own AI systems that will bring coders down to earth, not the public at large suddenly learning to code.

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"How we live is so different from how we ought to live that he who studies what ought to be done rather than what is done will learn the way to his downfall rather than to his preservation." Machievelli Most people are selfish and act in their own self interest despite what virtue signaling on social media they may do. You really think people are willing to risk their 6 figure salaries for some anonymous warehouse wo…

Your argument is that people are not lazy or ethically incompetent, but rather just straight up evil. Is that a fair characterisation? If so, I don't find it compelling.

They are close to "evil" unless trying (often hard) to become otherwise.

Also known as the doctrine of "the original sin".

As opposed to Rousseau's "noble savage".

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> I cannot imagine anyone here seriously defending this unless you’re just looking to be a contrarian. HN has a large libertarian base who are against regulated unions. They are seen as bad government interference in the free enterprise system. I don't want to start an argument but there's a lot of economics science that supports that belief.

What kind of libertarianism? Afaik left-libertarianism is in favour of unions. If it's right-libertarianism you're referencing then can you share some of the "economics science" that promotes it?

"Left" libertarianism is an oxymoron. Any philosophy that prioritises the collective over the individual is inherently illiberal.
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