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Frances Haugen asks Government Pension Fund of Norway to sell out of Meta

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Post by fullshark »

caslon wrote: post #15
pappeyrome wrote: post #6

I still cant believe how people with 6,7 digit salaries get convinced that more money is better than some amount of society responsibility. Dont they think that in 10 or 20 years down the line, many people (including them) will feel the pain of their actions.

Nobody cares about social responsibility, and you'll be hard-pressed to ever get anyone to genuinely care. Our "profession" has gone out of its way to establish new avenues in which copyright can be applied solely so we could "own" bits. Anyone releasing proprietary software is ignoring social responsibility. Guess what? Nobody cares! Money is nice! It buys things! And Facebook gives its employees fascinating tasks a…

People care they just can rationalize concerns away if the money’s good enough.

Re: Frances Haugen asks Government Pension Fund of Norway to sell out of Meta

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Post by KaiserPro »

I really dislike that Frances Haugen is the face of the "meta fightback"

Not only is Haugen is suspect figure & didn't appear to make any attempt to change stuff whilst at Meta, all of the "revelations" appears to be warmed up public domain stuff. Listening to her testimony its striking that she doesn't really grasp the problem she's so stridently trying to solve.

this is in stark contrast to Sophie Zhang who specifically pointed out failings and tried to rectify them. In short, Ignore Haugen and listen to Zhang, someone who actually was involved with and tried to fix the problems of social media.

Re: Frances Haugen asks Government Pension Fund of Norway to sell out of Meta

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Post by raelmebrand »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #30
systemvoltage wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Money buys financial independence and time.

> Money buys financial independence and time. Both of which are useless when the only place you have to spend them is a society no longer worth living in. Some call it long term prudence. Round here we call it not shitting on your own doorstep.

> Money buys financial independence and time.

Hi Roman (from Chelsea). how are you?

Re: Frances Haugen asks Government Pension Fund of Norway to sell out of Meta

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Post by caslon »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #36
caslon wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Medical software is primarily proprietary. They are contributing to the problem. Educational software is almost exclusively for-profit and proprietary. They are contributing to many problems. Digital support for infrastructure is overwhelmingly proprietary. IBM may have started the terrible ethics of the software industry, but publishing, arts, and entertainment companies beat the horse until it couldn't move. They a…

I hear you, but think we are talking at cross purposes here because I am not making a Free Software argument. If we can factor out "proprietary is evil" for a moment then there's a world of difference between human activities that serve our mutual day-to-day needs and those that are parasitic upon our vices.

I don't see how this argument isn't roughly writing off the root of all of these problems in exchange for one of the symptoms.

Re: Frances Haugen asks Government Pension Fund of Norway to sell out of Meta

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Post by rsolva »

3np wrote: post #4

While the title is in Norwegian, more appropriate title: "Frances Haugen asks Government Pension Fund of Norway to sell out of Meta". For context, the Government Pension Fund of Norway (commonly known as Oljefondet/The Oil Fund), owns ~1% of Meta. That FB are removing anti-Facebook ads are not mentioned in the article, and hardly news either way. What got removed were promotions for the event at the Nobel Peace Cente…

This behavior is ironic considering Marks 'free speech' stance regarding other controversial topics. Also, I was not aware that our pension fund owned 1% of Meta. That has to change.
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