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Re: Frances Haugen asks Government Pension Fund of Norway to sell out of Meta

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Post by caslon »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #29
caslon wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody cares about social responsibility, and you'll be hard-pressed to ever get anyone to genuinely care. Our "profession" has gone out of its way to establish new avenues in which copyright can be applied solely so we could "own" bits. Anyone releasing proprietary software is ignoring social responsibility. Guess what? Nobody cares! Money is nice! It buys things! And Facebook gives its employees fascinating tasks a…

> Who has the right to throw a stone, here? - Those who build medical technology that saves lives. - Those who make educational software that helps raise our young. - Those who work on the digital support for real world infrastructure that delivers our food, supplies our electricity, and runs our transport. - Those who work on software for publishing, arts and entertainments which underpin our entire modern culture.…

Medical software is primarily proprietary. They are contributing to the problem.

Educational software is almost exclusively for-profit and proprietary. They are contributing to many problems.

Digital support for infrastructure is overwhelmingly proprietary.

IBM may have started the terrible ethics of the software industry, but publishing, arts, and entertainment companies beat the horse until it couldn't move. They are the zenith of what's wrong in the industry.

Re: Frances Haugen asks Government Pension Fund of Norway to sell out of Meta

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Post by 3np »

hulitu wrote: post #12
pappeyrome wrote: post #6

I still cant believe how people with 6,7 digit salaries get convinced that more money is better than some amount of society responsibility. Dont they think that in 10 or 20 years down the line, many people (including them) will feel the pain of their actions.

They learned from people with 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 digit salaries.

Nitpick: Nobody has those salaries. Compensation on those levels are paid out in more tax-efficient ways.

Re: Frances Haugen asks Government Pension Fund of Norway to sell out of Meta

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Post by punnerud »

dado3212 wrote: post #16
punnerud wrote: post #2

Translated version: https://www-digi-no.translate.goog/artikler/ber-oljefondet-t... (With access to all of the article)

Would be great to replace the link with this one.

The first link was the translated one. HN replaced it with the original Norwegian one.

Re: Frances Haugen asks Government Pension Fund of Norway to sell out of Meta

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Post by [deleted] »

systemvoltage wrote: post #17
caslon wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody cares about social responsibility, and you'll be hard-pressed to ever get anyone to genuinely care. Our "profession" has gone out of its way to establish new avenues in which copyright can be applied solely so we could "own" bits. Anyone releasing proprietary software is ignoring social responsibility. Guess what? Nobody cares! Money is nice! It buys things! And Facebook gives its employees fascinating tasks a…

Money buys financial independence and time.

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Re: Frances Haugen asks Government Pension Fund of Norway to sell out of Meta

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Post by nonrandomstring »

caslon wrote: post #31
nonrandomstring wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who has the right to throw a stone, here? - Those who build medical technology that saves lives. - Those who make educational software that helps raise our young. - Those who work on the digital support for real world infrastructure that delivers our food, supplies our electricity, and runs our transport. - Those who work on software for publishing, arts and entertainments which underpin our entire modern culture.…

Medical software is primarily proprietary. They are contributing to the problem. Educational software is almost exclusively for-profit and proprietary. They are contributing to many problems. Digital support for infrastructure is overwhelmingly proprietary. IBM may have started the terrible ethics of the software industry, but publishing, arts, and entertainment companies beat the horse until it couldn't move. They a…

I hear you, but think we are talking at cross purposes here because I am not making a Free Software argument. If we can factor out "proprietary is evil" for a moment then there's a world of difference between human activities that serve our mutual day-to-day needs and those that are parasitic upon our vices.

Re: Frances Haugen asks Government Pension Fund of Norway to sell out of Meta

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

I wonder if we have enough computing power to assign blame to shareholders in proportion?

Probably tracing ownership would be the hard bit.

How much of your investments/pension would need to be in cigarettes and oil before you would be considered a bad person?

Re: Frances Haugen asks Government Pension Fund of Norway to sell out of Meta

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Post by jleyank »

Articles threatening (major) tech companies source of funding should not be flagged ab initio on a website devoted to (major) tech companies. The norwegian sovereign fund is a huge pot of money and if it’s actions influence other pots of money the “startup climate” will be affected. One would think that HN or YC folks would find this of concern.

Re: Frances Haugen asks Government Pension Fund of Norway to sell out of Meta

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Post by the-dude »

jleyank wrote: post #38

Articles threatening (major) tech companies source of funding should not be flagged ab initio on a website devoted to (major) tech companies. The norwegian sovereign fund is a huge pot of money and if it’s actions influence other pots of money the “startup climate” will be affected. One would think that HN or YC folks would find this of concern.

The article is in Norwegian.

Re: Frances Haugen asks Government Pension Fund of Norway to sell out of Meta

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Post by codetrotter »

the-dude wrote: post #39
jleyank wrote: post #38

Articles threatening (major) tech companies source of funding should not be flagged ab initio on a website devoted to (major) tech companies. The norwegian sovereign fund is a huge pot of money and if it’s actions influence other pots of money the “startup climate” will be affected. One would think that HN or YC folks would find this of concern.

The article is in Norwegian.

And paywalled too.
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