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Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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I think autism has become the IBS of neurodiversity, and will be retired someday just as the diagnosis of “hysteria” was retired as a catch all for women’s issues a century ago.

Autism has a few biological sequelae so I don’t think this is gonna be the case. For example their brains grow faster than normal for the first few years of life but slower thereafter. And you can see differences in their brains under a microscope. Or at least that’s what I read in a book recently, I am not an expert.

Would be interested in knowing why this was downvoted —- is this wrong?

Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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> "It is a basic human right to have average abilities." I really like that quote from her on multiple dimensions.

I like this quote because it doesn't make any sense. It's obvious that not everyone operates with the same level of ability. Some have more ability than others, which necessarily means some are below average. Stating that "average ability is a human right" doesn't change the mathematical reality.

> Some have more ability than others

On some dimensions. On other dimensions, some will not have more ability.

I may be good at programming computers. That does not make me good at welding or art.

In particular, I like the fact that it drives home that it is NOT okay to set up our society so that it demands better than average in order to be considered to be a "worthwhile" member of society.

A person who is simply "average" should be able to have a meaningful life.

Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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Autism has become a catch-all for "people who are weird". "Neurotypical" is the vaguely condescending opposite. Notice the sneer when she refers to "neurotypical 'experts'". The basic idea is that people who are weird are a subjugated minority, oppressed by people with boring, normal brains. I don't doubt that Hannah Gadsby is weird but I think life is hard for everyone, including normal people. I think the struggles…

I find it bizarre how uncritically the social construct of doubling the ranks of the mentally ill/disordered in the course of decades has been introduced. There is no way in the last few decades the amount of mentally disordered people has expanded so greatly, it must be the case we're simply calling more people disordered. The growth of mental disorders is starting to plateau now but things are still growing. I find…

The discussion around “academic doping” seems spot-on to me.

Regarding the increase in diagnoses of autism-spectrum, I think a few decades ago, those people would have just been called “weirdos” or “creepy” or “special”. They might not have had a diagnostic label, but it was not as if they were unlabeled by those around them.

Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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> I have a strong objection to people who freely talk about negative experiences. Some of the people I respect the most have had extremely negatives experiences but mention them only with great reluctance. There's something about that that seems right. Columns like this debase the currency: by exalting empathy and understanding as the highest values, they devalue them. I'm not sure I understand your objection. The st…

There is a personality type that derives fuel from relating their tragedies to others. To some people that can be a trait that is cloying and indicates other issues that tend to accompany this personality profile.

What is this "personality profile" you're talking about, and what are these "other issues"?

Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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I have spent majority of my adult life operating under the idea that I'm on the spectrum. I have no problem sharing that detail of my life as I sit in front of a computer for more than 8 hours most days and would identify as introverted and eccentric in my own ways. What I found interesting is that as I experimented with lowering my screen time and doing more analog activities, my symptoms that had me believing I was…

I played a lot of sports and I'm very much on the spectrum. I didn't have any coordination issues though. I do find physical activity makes me feel better in general but it certainly doesn't "reduce" my autism. I have gotten a lot better at dealing with it as I've gotten older though (I guess many would call this masking).

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Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Autism has a few biological sequelae so I don’t think this is gonna be the case. For example their brains grow faster than normal for the first few years of life but slower thereafter. And you can see differences in their brains under a microscope. Or at least that’s what I read in a book recently, I am not an expert.

Would be interested in knowing why this was downvoted —- is this wrong?

Where did you read about autism? What was the title of the book?

Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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Autism has become a catch-all for "people who are weird". "Neurotypical" is the vaguely condescending opposite. Notice the sneer when she refers to "neurotypical 'experts'". The basic idea is that people who are weird are a subjugated minority, oppressed by people with boring, normal brains. I don't doubt that Hannah Gadsby is weird but I think life is hard for everyone, including normal people. I think the struggles…

I find it bizarre how uncritically the social construct of doubling the ranks of the mentally ill/disordered in the course of decades has been introduced. There is no way in the last few decades the amount of mentally disordered people has expanded so greatly, it must be the case we're simply calling more people disordered. The growth of mental disorders is starting to plateau now but things are still growing. I find…

The amount of people that allegedly have ADHD, the U.S is a big outliner when you compare it with other, similarly developed nations. I believe it will be looked back at some point like opioid crisis.

Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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There is a personality type that derives fuel from relating their tragedies to others. To some people that can be a trait that is cloying and indicates other issues that tend to accompany this personality profile.

What is this "personality profile" you're talking about, and what are these "other issues"?

Didn't mean to make you feel called out there

Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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What's a methylation profile? I tried reading the link but it seemed quite technical.

Methylation is a metabolic chemical reaction your body does, facilitated by enzymes, that sticks a methyl group onto stuff. There’s different genetic mutations for more or less copies or less efficient copies of the relevant enzymes. The idea is some people are genetically very low/poor methylaters so they’re methylation impaired. Generally the solution if found to be a poor methylater is to take forms of vitamins th…

> Generally the solution if found to be a poor methylater is to take forms of vitamins that are already methylated, like methylfolate

Other possible treatments are L-Methionine or S-Adenosyl-Methionine (SAMe), as was recommended in my personal case of a deficiency in "methionine adenosyltransferase" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Adenosylmethionine_synthetas...). If you are on a concurrent SSRI (as many with this problem tend to need), the L-Methionine is temporarily used in lieu of the SAMe in order to help wean off the SSRI without the risk of Serotonin Syndrome that comes with SAMe + SSRI combination.

I'm not a doctor, just someone who has this as a patient.

Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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I don't think it's a sneering to point out that if most people who talk about something lack the direct experience of having it, they may not represent it well. Personal experience gives folk's different perspectives. Autism certainly seems to. And whether the struggles she enumerates are common or not, if suffering is normal and near universal as you suggest, I think it's good to ask, does it have to be so? Are ther…

> But as the myths are so firmly embedded into popular (mis)understanding, I don’t have the luxury to skip over them, so it is just a sad reality that I have to waste even more of my time to bring many of you up to speed. As the quote shows, the article is full of sneering, it’s just a sad fact that I have to waste my time pointing it out to you. Apologies for that but I think directing her words towards you exposes…

To be clear, this is a book extract, not something she wrote for the guardian, but for someone who picked up her book to read.

She says many of you. Why are you including yourself in the many, if you already knew what she has to say?

Why are you so upset by a comedian writing about her experiences that you have to engage with it at all?

I just don't see a sneer. I just took a bit and reread the while thing. What I read is frustration, not superiority.

I don't think she's looking down on folks who haven't had her struggles. I think she wants people to understand them, perhaps so they can be more understanding to autistic folks in their lives.

But I don't think I'll convince you to see it my way, so I'll drop this.

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