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Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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Nanette is more an angry speech by a clever and witty person than the "comedy special" it's made out to be.

Worked for Carlin.

I don't recall Carlin ever playing up self-pity. That's the part, for me, that's hard to watch.

It's the even less funny cousin of cringe comedy, imho.

Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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you're fairly judgmental, you think there's a way people should be, and other ways people should not be. this is exactly the type of attitude that exacerbates the alienation autistics already feel.

> you're fairly judgmental, you think there's a way people should be, and other ways people should not be. Yes. The reason we have brains is so we can make judgements.

And the reason we have words is so that you can be told that you're confusing function with design/intent.

Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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People would rather get a diagnosis to belong to a community than be an outcast who struggles to fit in and have their gifts recognized.

Disclaimer: am on spectrum, formal diagnosis at 8yo > have their gifts recognized. Please explain how _extreme difficulty in socializing_ is a "gift".

People are sometimes less likely to recognize your true gifts if you don’t socialize well. Silicon Valley is probably an exception where people on the spectrum are stereotyped somewhat positively.

Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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Autism has become a catch-all for "people who are weird". "Neurotypical" is the vaguely condescending opposite. Notice the sneer when she refers to "neurotypical 'experts'". The basic idea is that people who are weird are a subjugated minority, oppressed by people with boring, normal brains. I don't doubt that Hannah Gadsby is weird but I think life is hard for everyone, including normal people. I think the struggles…

I don't think it's a sneering to point out that if most people who talk about something lack the direct experience of having it, they may not represent it well. Personal experience gives folk's different perspectives. Autism certainly seems to. And whether the struggles she enumerates are common or not, if suffering is normal and near universal as you suggest, I think it's good to ask, does it have to be so? Are ther…

> But as the myths are so firmly embedded into popular (mis)understanding, I don’t have the luxury to skip over them, so it is just a sad reality that I have to waste even more of my time to bring many of you up to speed.

As the quote shows, the article is full of sneering, it’s just a sad fact that I have to waste my time pointing it out to you.

Apologies for that but I think directing her words towards you exposes the sneer without any doubt.

Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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you're fairly judgmental, you think there's a way people should be, and other ways people should not be. this is exactly the type of attitude that exacerbates the alienation autistics already feel.

> you're fairly judgmental, you think there's a way people should be, and other ways people should not be. Yes. The reason we have brains is so we can make judgements.

I think you have opinions, on the other hand judgements need argumentation. You've simply stated that you object "to people who freely talk about negative experiences" because some other people you like a lot don't do that. That's not a judgement, it's just you expressing your personal preferences. It's not very interesting per se to be completely honest with you.

Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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> you're fairly judgmental, you think there's a way people should be, and other ways people should not be. Yes. The reason we have brains is so we can make judgements.

And the reason we have words is so that you can be told that you're confusing function with design/intent.

There is no intent nor design of a brain, they are a product of the evolutionary process.

Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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Autism is not an emotional cycle, it's not a circumstantial state it's a disorder determined by genetics. Either you got the genes, or you don't. Pretty binary.

Just had to call out a nuance here - Disorder is an extremely strong word. People living with ASD are not "weird" or "abnormal" in anyway whatsoever, they are just different. As a society, we accept people's genetically predetermined sexual orientation, regardless of whether it represents the majority. ASD is no different, lets avoid calling it a disorder.

Disorder is a medical term that means an illness that disrupts normal physical or mental functions. This describes autism but not homosexuality (which, I was not aware, has now been declared to be of entirely genetic basis?)

Even if they were to both fit the definition, I’m not sure what the objection to the word is.

Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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Autism has become a catch-all for "people who are weird". "Neurotypical" is the vaguely condescending opposite. Notice the sneer when she refers to "neurotypical 'experts'". The basic idea is that people who are weird are a subjugated minority, oppressed by people with boring, normal brains. I don't doubt that Hannah Gadsby is weird but I think life is hard for everyone, including normal people. I think the struggles…

I find it bizarre how uncritically the social construct of doubling the ranks of the mentally ill/disordered in the course of decades has been introduced. There is no way in the last few decades the amount of mentally disordered people has expanded so greatly, it must be the case we're simply calling more people disordered. The growth of mental disorders is starting to plateau now but things are still growing. I find…

I’m not too surprised if there were tons of people who historically would’ve been just considered crazy or possessed or the village idiot or “retarded” or a thousand other things that we now have more specific categories for. Now how much schizophrenia and anxiety and autism have in common as a umbrella category of “mentally ill” — probably not much.

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> "It is a basic human right to have average abilities." I really like that quote from her on multiple dimensions.

I like this quote because it doesn't make any sense. It's obvious that not everyone operates with the same level of ability. Some have more ability than others, which necessarily means some are below average. Stating that "average ability is a human right" doesn't change the mathematical reality.

Re: Hannah Gadsby on her autism diagnosis

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Autism has become a catch-all for "people who are weird". "Neurotypical" is the vaguely condescending opposite. Notice the sneer when she refers to "neurotypical 'experts'". The basic idea is that people who are weird are a subjugated minority, oppressed by people with boring, normal brains. I don't doubt that Hannah Gadsby is weird but I think life is hard for everyone, including normal people. I think the struggles…

I find it bizarre how uncritically the social construct of doubling the ranks of the mentally ill/disordered in the course of decades has been introduced. There is no way in the last few decades the amount of mentally disordered people has expanded so greatly, it must be the case we're simply calling more people disordered. The growth of mental disorders is starting to plateau now but things are still growing. I find…

I think this chart expresses my opinion better than I could. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/09/...

Using that as a reference point, maybe we're at "1910" with regards to our awareness of neurodivergence, or maybe we're at "1950", but certainly there are many people who will be better off once we hit "1960".

Your argument only holds water if you presuppose that everyone who would have met the diagnostic criteria of 20-50 years ago was also evaluated against those diagnostic criteria. I have far better than typical access to diagnostic services, and it took a referral, several appointments, and thousands of dollars to get a formal diagnosis. If I had that same access 25 years earlier, I probably would have been far better supported through my education.

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