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Re: Choose your status game wisely

#121
This is so cringey. Please don't behave as this would suggest. In technical and scientific areas as most of our HN friends are likely to be, seeking status, measuring status, cultivating and being concerned with it is just a negative. It's true that there is status, but that status should be honestly earned and it's definitely not a game to "play".

This is a constant source of miscommunication between the social and political factions inside and outside of work vs. the hard-core engineer technocrats. The people-people think that we make decisions and take actions, or have opinions because we are playing the game - and we're not playing it right! Or worse are playing with the wrong team. Backing the wrong horse, refusing to "play along", etc. Troublemakers!

But see it's just that we're not playing a game. We actually did the research and just honestly think that thing X is not the best thing (even though it's the bosses bosses pet project). We're independently and internally motivated, and don't give a jot what others think (so we think).

Conversely we often think the lovely people-people are idiots because they pick the wrong solutions, don't back doing it "the right way", etc. Because we sometimes don't understand that they are playing a game. This means we underestimate them and their motives, as well as misunderstand the invisible rules and potential consequences.

The best engineering cultures are those that keep and encourage those like-minded, non-game-playing folks together and happy and far, far away from those politics and games. They need savy honest management to insulate them from that stuff and to translate between the cultures. And to weed out fakers who are trying to play games amongst those naive to it.

Re: Choose your status game wisely

#123

this reminded me of the "This is Water" commencement speech given by David Foster Wallace to the 2005 graduating class at Kenyon College. Key graf: "In the day-to-day trenches of adult life, there is actually no such thing as atheism. There is no such thing as not worshiping. Everybody worships. The only choice we get is what to worship. And an outstanding reason for choosing some sort of God or spiritual-type thing…

That's making the broad assumption that religion won't "eat you alive". My personal experience deeply contradicts that. My perspective is that atheism is not a lack of worship, but a lack of faith. Faith requires you suspend critical thinking on a predetermined set of claims. Atheism, to me, is the rejection of faith; to direct critical thought to all claims. Taking that to its conclusion, I worship critical thinking…

> My perspective is that atheism is not a lack of worship, but a lack of faith.

Can you define what you mean by "faith"?

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z4wKCsD59Q

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_4PSgFjtvI

> Faith requires you suspend critical thinking on a predetermined set of claims.

People like Thomas Aquinas would disagree.

* https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35592365-five-proofs-of-...

* https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6963088-aquinas

* https://tofspot.blogspot.com/2014/07/first-way-some-backgrou...

Re: Choose your status game wisely

#124
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually feel pressure to dress down in my role as a SWE: hoodies and jeans seem like the norm, and forget about wearing a suit (lol!) or even a dress shirt. I've found black/grey turtlenecks to be a nice middle ground, and apart from the occasional "one more thing" (Steve Jobs) or Elizabeth Holmes comment, those tend to work well.

Me too. If I wear a simple blue button down, there’s a 100% chance it gets commented on. And I work full time remote… I feel like if I wore that to a software engineering interview I’d run the risk of being judged as just not really getting the culture.

lol, i think that's why i failed my first interview or two. dressed down for my last one and got hired no problem

Re: Choose your status game wisely

#125
Ppl keeping repeating that Scott Adams intersection tip as if it's useful or clever , and it's not. Being mediocre at two things and combining them just makes you mediocre. The third skill that results from the combination of two skills still has its own learning curve and hierarchy. Things don't just get easier. It just means you're just playing a different game that has different challenges.

Re: Choose your status game wisely

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post #69

It's a sad truth but for most of us, when it comes to "decide which status game to play", you're simply aiming for money no matter what you choose. Money is the overarching metric that already incorporates everything else. The "weightlifting status" or the "content creator status" mentioned in the article are just money status in disguise. Ask yourself: if you won a big lottery tomorrow, would you still keep doing wh…

> If the answer is no, then you've been playing the money game all along. I’ve wondered about this for some time now. If I won the lottery, I would quit software engineering in a heartbeat. But it’s not software engineering that I want to quit. I love writing software and having computers do my bidding automatically and elegantly. What I loathe is all the BS around work, the posturing, the being told to drive the bus…

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I'd quit too but keep working on my side projects. in between vacations

Re: Choose your status game wisely

#127
post #69

It's a sad truth but for most of us, when it comes to "decide which status game to play", you're simply aiming for money no matter what you choose. Money is the overarching metric that already incorporates everything else. The "weightlifting status" or the "content creator status" mentioned in the article are just money status in disguise. Ask yourself: if you won a big lottery tomorrow, would you still keep doing wh…

> If the answer is no, then you've been playing the money game all along. I’ve wondered about this for some time now. If I won the lottery, I would quit software engineering in a heartbeat. But it’s not software engineering that I want to quit. I love writing software and having computers do my bidding automatically and elegantly. What I loathe is all the BS around work, the posturing, the being told to drive the bus…

The 'Office Space' scenario might be more interesting/fun, keep working and ignore the BS, worst case you get fired and at least you learn you were right to follow the rules, best case you get to keep the good (actually writing code) and lose the bad. Normally you can never find out where the line is without crossing it.

Re: Choose your status game wisely

#128
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this part of TFA sounded like it might almost be a reference to the DFW speech: > This is why you have to choose your status game wisely. Because whatever status game you choose in life ultimately determines what you optimize for. Choose money and you’ll end up working all the time. Choose beauty and you’ll always want to look better. Choose fame and you’ll constantly be seeking attention.

Nick Maggiulli vectors people to https://twitter.com/dollarsanddata to comment on his posts. Alex Hardy commented two days ago https://twitter.com/CantHardyWait/status/1508789463664709646 “There is no such thing as not worshiping. Everybody worships. The only choice we get is what to worship.” I did not see this when I left my comment here. But Maggiulli responded https://twitter.com/dollarsanddata/status/15088154804…

> It's funny, Nick Maggiulli doesn't allow comments but vectors people to https://twitter.com/dollarsanddata

Why is that "funny"? Running a decent commenting system on the modern Internet is not easy, especially if you're not a coder/techie. The dude already has full time job.

Re: Choose your status game wisely

#129
post #46

Thinking about this stuff seems like a waste of time to me. If you think status makes you happy, I assume there are still some things you need to figure out for yourself. But maybe it's the other way around, who knows. Still, I don't care. :)

I think part of the point is that you actually do care and you need to care and this is healthy. For instance, if you dressed in dirty clothes and didn't take care of yourself that would be very low status. Anyone coming in contact with you would smell your low status immediately and treat you accordingly. So, if you bathe, shave, and wear clean clothes then you are already playing the status game. And that's great!

Not necessarily. I would argue that plenty of people bathe and wear clean clothes more for their own comfort rather than that of others. The fact that these things can be interpreted as status signals has nothing to do with the motivation for taking these actions in the first place.

Re: Choose your status game wisely

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's making the broad assumption that religion won't "eat you alive". My personal experience deeply contradicts that. My perspective is that atheism is not a lack of worship, but a lack of faith. Faith requires you suspend critical thinking on a predetermined set of claims. Atheism, to me, is the rejection of faith; to direct critical thought to all claims. Taking that to its conclusion, I worship critical thinking…

> My perspective is that atheism is not a lack of worship, but a lack of faith. Can you define what you mean by "faith"? * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z4wKCsD59Q * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_4PSgFjtvI > Faith requires you suspend critical thinking on a predetermined set of claims. People like Thomas Aquinas would disagree. * https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35592365-five-proofs-of-... * https://www.goo…

Faith was always described to me as a belief in something that cannot be proven. In my experience, however, especially in terms of Christianity, faith is a belief in something that cannot be proven, and - crucially - can be disproven. To put it more clearly, faith detaches a claim from reality, and puts it into a realm above criticism.

As a small example, the idea that the first human male was created directly by a deity contradicts the existence of early hominids, cannot account for retroviral DNA sequences present in both humans and apes, etc.

St. Thomas Aquinas was an excellent philosopher, whose contributions to human thought will likely continue to be studied for generations to come; whether or not they are based in reality or abstraction. My disagreement with Aquinas is that the ideas of Christianity that are based in the abstract are expressed as literal fact, even though such "facts" and their origins are deeply contradicted by evidence. There is a name for the inability to criticize Christianity for contradicting with evidence: "faith".

My experience with faith is a little closer to this century: Mormonism. A flavor of Christianity invented by Joseph Smith, who founded his church in upstate New York in 1830. As a decedent of several Mormon "Pioneers", I was raised in that church. I had deeply held faith in its claims, and even "served" a mission; going door-to-door sharing my beliefs with anyone willing to listen.

Later on, I learned a more complete history of the Mormon (LDS) Church, and for the first time applied critical thinking to what I had until then held out of reach with "faith". If you want a picture of what this experience is like, I would recommend this heartfelt letter[1] to a stubbornly faithful spouse. It both expresses the emotional journey of leaving the Mormon faith, and provides detailed information and context on the subject.

I haven't spent as much effort deconstructing Christianity on the whole, but there are no doubt similar resources available to the subject. Suffice it to say, after becoming familiar with faith, I see the same pattern applied with all religion.

[1] https://www.letterformywife.com/the-letter

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