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Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by skydhash »

mort96 wrote: post #90
canuckintime wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2560x1440 /logical/ pixels (what apple calls points) at 27" to be the ideal amount of [MacOS] screen real estate (and physical size for [MacOS] UI elements) ftfy. Apple is double dealing you here. Apple developed MacOS to look best at that size/density, and forced the development of the few expensive displays are that size/density... After a decade waiting for third party displays to meet up their standard, to no a…

Nah, that's not true. Linux also looks best at roughly that scale. Everything is way too big at 1080p@1x/4k@2x at 27" -- in both macOS and Linux. I'm not too sure about Windows, but given the fact that cross-platform apps like web browsers render everything at the same logical size across the systems, and the fact that browsers don't look hilariously out of place in Windows. I'm gonna assume that it applies to Window…

I don't know about 4k@27, but 1080@27 is indeed too big. The only thing I want to be big is the text - and icons maybe -, But I can't stomach big UI elements.

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by criddell »

dbg31415 wrote: post #105

Guy was on a non-4k Monitor saying the Apple Studio 5k was more crisp. Oof. For me... I like 2 monitors. Just one is a huge loss to productivity. I like 4k Monitors. Anything less is unusable. I like 144hz monitors. I like matching monitors. I find that if I mix 4k and 1080p I am prone to headaches. I like monitors where the top is roughly eye level, or even a little bit higher, when I'm sitting down. I feel this hel…

> I expect the monitors will last around 3 years...

That's it? What is it that fails for you? My current monitor (a cheap Dell) is more than ten years old and it gets used every day.

I was thinking paying close to $2000 for a monitor isn't that bad because it's an important piece of equipment and they last a long time. It's the same logic I use to buy office furniture.

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by taylodl »

Wow. Just checked the Apple site and this guy is right, Apple wants $400 for a height-adjustable monitor stand! Why? Also the web cam is crap? Really?

Okay, maybe it's not as bad as $699 for wheels for the Mac Pro, but that isn't right either! Consider that Apple is selling the iPhone SE for the same price that they're selling an height-adjustable monitor stand and less than for what they're charging for wheels! Can anyone explain this pricing?

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by n8cpdx »

turtlebits wrote: post #71
ysleepy wrote: post #5

They sort of imply that only the Studio display would have given him a DPI increase over his previous 27" 1440p display. Any 4k screen would have also done that. Then he concludes that 600nits is unnecessary and that he doesn't need or want the USB-C ports. I have no idea why he went with the apple display instead of any good 4k screen for 400$, or two of them.

On a Mac, the UI on 4k at 27" is too large. That is why the Studio Display is 27" 5k and the 24" iMac is 4.5k. You can do non-integer scaling to change the UI size, but then it becomes blurry.

People say it is blurry but I think I have pretty good eyes and do a lot of pixel peeping and don’t really see the issue. I don’t think I’ve ever run macOS at the native resolution because things are just too big, with the exception of my 1080p monitor.

Does blurry mean something other than blurry?

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by canuckintime »

RandallBrown wrote: post #61
vonseel wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most 4k monitors are 24 inches Where are you getting this? I was looking at monitors recently and it's impossible to find ANY 24" 4K monitors. Most of them are 27", which at that screen size you really need scaling. My LG 27" 4K recently went out so I downgraded to my older 1440p 27" monitor. I'm not using scaling anymore, but the text doesn't have that buttery smooth look...

I think it's safe to say that 24 inch monitors aren't the majority of 4k monitors, but there's still a good number available. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?st=4k+monitor+24... https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HMUA2VC/A/lg-ultrafine-4k...

Your links only shows two (of which only one is in stock)...

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by hn_version_0023 »

taylodl wrote: post #113

Wow. Just checked the Apple site and this guy is right, Apple wants $400 for a height-adjustable monitor stand! Why? Also the web cam is crap? Really? Okay, maybe it's not as bad as $699 for wheels for the Mac Pro, but that isn't right either! Consider that Apple is selling the iPhone SE for the same price that they're selling an height-adjustable monitor stand and less than for what they're charging for wheels! Can…

> Can anyone explain this pricing?

Greed?

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by tzs »

> Apple, if you ship a monitor with a non-adjustable stand in 2022, please make sure that the default height is at an ergonomic level. It should be at least 5-8 centimeters higher.

That's terrible advice. For a non-adjustable stand it needs to be at or near the lowest that people would want, because it is way easier to raise a fixed stand that is too low by putting something under it than it is to lower a fixed stand that is too high. (At least when the stand base is a simple rectangle--it might be harder on monitors that have narrow crescent bases).

Bricks are cheap [1] and would be great for raising such a monitor.

According to the specs at Apple the top of the monitor when on the non-adjustable stand is 47.8 cm above your desk. They don't give the bezel size but I've seen reviews say it is about 1/2", and that looks reasonable from the photos, so call it 1.3 cm. That would put the top of the screen at 46.5 cm.

I just measured my 27" iMac, which has the same size screen and a non-adjustable stand. The iMac top of screen is 49.5 cm about the desk.

I found the iMac a little too high. I ended up getting larger wheels [2] for my chair to effectively lower the iMac and putting a pillow on my chair to get a little more height for myself to make the iMac relatively lower. (Those are great wheels BTW. Unlike regular chair wheels these do not seem to end up clogged with hair wrapped around the axles).

[1] https://www.homedepot.com/p/8-in-x-2-1-4-in-x-4-in-Clay-Bric...

[2] https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CGZPOK2/

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by mort96 »

skydhash wrote: post #111
mort96 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, that's not true. Linux also looks best at roughly that scale. Everything is way too big at 1080p@1x/4k@2x at 27" -- in both macOS and Linux. I'm not too sure about Windows, but given the fact that cross-platform apps like web browsers render everything at the same logical size across the systems, and the fact that browsers don't look hilariously out of place in Windows. I'm gonna assume that it applies to Window…

I don't know about 4k@27, but 1080@27 is indeed too big. The only thing I want to be big is the text - and icons maybe -, But I can't stomach big UI elements.

FWIW, 4k is 3840x2160, which is (19202)x(10802). So 4k@27 running at a 2x scale is exactly the same physical area per logical pixel as 1080p@27 running at a 1x scale.

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by hyakosm »

I remember when bigger monitors had higher resolution. 15 inch monitors were 1024x768, 17 inch were typically 1280x1024 and some 20 inch monitors 1600x1200. Now nearly every panel from 13 inch to 32 inch are "4K" UHD with the exception of 24 inch monitors stuck at 1920x1080, it's sad because true HiDPI options (> 200 dpi) are extremely limited: two Apple screens, two LG screens and one Dell 8K 32 inch screen for PCs.

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by yardie »

RandallBrown wrote: post #61
vonseel wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most 4k monitors are 24 inches Where are you getting this? I was looking at monitors recently and it's impossible to find ANY 24" 4K monitors. Most of them are 27", which at that screen size you really need scaling. My LG 27" 4K recently went out so I downgraded to my older 1440p 27" monitor. I'm not using scaling anymore, but the text doesn't have that buttery smooth look...

I think it's safe to say that 24 inch monitors aren't the majority of 4k monitors, but there's still a good number available. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?st=4k+monitor+24... https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HMUA2VC/A/lg-ultrafine-4k...

Both links go to a LG 24" 4K TB display and a bunch of 24" FHD.

There appears to be exactly one 24" 4K display being sold. Which is more a niche than a good number.

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