When Cloudflare Workers unionize, that will be world first ;)
Amazon workers on Staten Island vote to unionize
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Re: Amazon workers on Staten Island vote to unionize
#72This is fantastic news. Well done, Amazon employees! I'm glad to see that Amazon's anti-union propaganda was taken for the nonsense that it is. Hopefully the employees of other Amazon warehouses will be inspired to do the same, after this win for workers.
Their software engineers should, too. You don't actually have to get pipped, get pinged 24/7, and be ground to dust and thrown away to be a successful software engineer.
I very much agree. Every worker should unionize, for the good of us all. Far too much power has been ceded to companies pushing for abusive working practices, that are now largely culturally normalized.
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#73I have some family members that work at Amazon, my understanding is that the conditions at Amazon are hard to pin down because some warehouses are run just fine and others are abusive. That said, everyone working a job has a right to a union. Whether there's workplace abuse going on or not. All human endeavors are corrupt, including gov't, business, and occasionally unions. Collective bargaining is something I wish I…
> That said, everyone working a job has a right to a union. Note for interest that this is not literally true. Some people work in jobs where unionisation is illegal, or where unionisation is legal but union action is illegal.
It could be a sentiment rather than a statement of legal fact. Like "everyone has the right to free speech, healthcare, and three hot meals a day".
Re: Amazon workers on Staten Island vote to unionize
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Their software engineers should, too. You don't actually have to get pipped, get pinged 24/7, and be ground to dust and thrown away to be a successful software engineer.
I very much agree. Every worker should unionize, for the good of us all. Far too much power has been ceded to companies pushing for abusive working practices, that are now largely culturally normalized.
Well, no, I can bargain individually better than a group could try to on my behalf.
Re: Amazon workers on Staten Island vote to unionize
#75This is fantastic news. Well done, Amazon employees! I'm glad to see that Amazon's anti-union propaganda was taken for the nonsense that it is. Hopefully the employees of other Amazon warehouses will be inspired to do the same, after this win for workers.
HN is not a political forum. I get that we like to talk politics here, and that's all well and good. But having someone make a brand new account to make a political opinion post that has little to no intellectual content seems like it should be unwelcome.
Re: Amazon workers on Staten Island vote to unionize
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most teachers I know, and I know a lot of them, don't really like their union because their union is ineffective. If it actually worked for them, they'd be making wages commensurate with their required education levels.
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Any evidence of anything you just said?
Re: Amazon workers on Staten Island vote to unionize
#77What's sad is that this is a "stunning win". It should be a routine event.
Now, McDonalds and WalMart.
Re: Amazon workers on Staten Island vote to unionize
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Once you acknowledge that unions are useless and bad, yes, this is correct. If unions were actually beneficial to workers, then companies would have a very hard time hiring non-union workers.
This makes zero sense, you're drawing huge conclusions based on a prisoner's dilemma situation. Of course it's beneficial to be a defector, you get all the benefit but none of the cost. Once no one is unionized at all or it's so small to not have any pull the benefit disappears. It's like saying that taxes are useless because given the choice people would opt-out if they could, ignoring the consequences of if everyon…
How is it a prisoner's dilemma? Why would a union give its benefits to someone who didn't join?
Re: Amazon workers on Staten Island vote to unionize
#79okay this is amazing. but wtf is this sentence? "No union victory is bigger than the first win in the United States at Amazon, which many union leaders regard as an existential threat to labor standards across the economy because it touches so many industries and frequently dominates them."
It's a feel good sentence. Both pro-union and anti-union people can agree with it.
Re: Amazon workers on Staten Island vote to unionize
#80This is fantastic news. Well done, Amazon employees! I'm glad to see that Amazon's anti-union propaganda was taken for the nonsense that it is. Hopefully the employees of other Amazon warehouses will be inspired to do the same, after this win for workers.
HN is not a political forum. I get that we like to talk politics here, and that's all well and good. But having someone make a brand new account to make a political opinion post that has little to no intellectual content seems like it should be unwelcome.
Well, cast a downvote then.