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I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by bgentry »

miohtama wrote: post #33
radley wrote: post #28

The LG 5K has all the benefits of Retina 5K and most likely is the exact same panel. The biggest downside is the slower USB-C ports (5GB vs 10GB). The camera isn't technically as good as Apple's, but it also doesn't rely on Apple software. It can raise/lower and tilt without paying $400 extra. It has a black plastic frame which doesn't look as nice, but the glass won't chip if you bump your laptop into the side. If I…

Why is the camera so bad in Apple Studio Display, as the article claims? iPhone and iPad cameras are quite good. Edit: Found in the comments a claim it’s a software bug.

In addition to the software bug, they also used a dated camera module from the front-facing camera on the iPhone 11. They could have used the higher quality rear-facing camera from the iPhone 13, or the front-facing camera part from the iPhone 13, or even (god forbid) a single rear-facing camera part from the iPhone 13 / Pro for the best quality. The iPhone 13 Pro contains 3 of these rear-facing cameras with far better quality, and 1 front-facing camera that also has far better quality.

Absolute best case scenario, they are able to fix software issues and bring the camera quality to be equivalent to the front-facing iPhone 11 camera. But why stuff an outdated camera part into a brand new $1600 display 2 years after COVID made us all spend so much of our days on video calls? It seems not just short-sighted but downright hostile toward customers as this one points out.

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by kuschku »

mort96 wrote: post #29
ysleepy wrote: post #5

They sort of imply that only the Studio display would have given him a DPI increase over his previous 27" 1440p display. Any 4k screen would have also done that. Then he concludes that 600nits is unnecessary and that he doesn't need or want the USB-C ports. I have no idea why he went with the apple display instead of any good 4k screen for 400$, or two of them.

Maybe because he wanted a 27" display and not a 24" one? You wanna stick to integer DPI scaling for the most part, and at 2x scale, a 4k 27" display has way too big GUI elements. There aren't many good options in the HiDPI 27" market, just half-measures like the 4k 27" screens you mention which require fractional scaling.

Not fractional scaling, just dpi scaling instead of integer scaling.

Sadly, macOS and Gnome refuse to support it, which is ridiculous, because macOS UI Toolkit is originally based on PDF to allow arbitrary scaling.

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by sharms »

marcellus23 wrote: post #15

My understanding is that the webcam issue has been essentially (not officially) confirmed as being a software bug. Which makes this kind of vitriol pretty unnecessary: > There is a product manager at Apple who, for some reason, hates webcam users with a burning passion. It also makes perfect sense, since the actual specs of the camera should be giving a much better picture.

On a technical level the webcam resolution is low, and center stage adds additional cropping. This problem may not have a software fix unfortunately

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by jasonpbecker »

My only quibble with this review is the USB-A port thing. 6 devices is a lot, but even if that were the real number, if the problem is the type-C connector, you can buy very inexpensive cables or even "caps" (like $5 maybe each) to get your USB-A device into a type C port. This is a thing on your desk, so there's no reason not to have it just plugged in all the time with a new, inexpensive cable, or have the cap on the end of your existing cable.

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by VectorLock »

scyzoryk_xyz wrote: post #37
Tepix wrote: post #26

I bought a very slightly used Iiyama 5K monitor (XB2779QQS-S1 with Displayport 1.4) for 450€. While it does have some stuck pixels, they are so tiny that you only notice them when you are looking for them. 1800€ is insane. I also use a 27" 4K monitor. The difference between the two isn't that great. 5K is mostly useful for 4K video editing. PS: It sounds as if the author would have had a great experience with a 350€…

Considering the number of people out there making enormous salaries doing jobs on computers, spending 10+ hours a day looking at their screen, 1800€ does not sound insane at all. Same thing applies to any tool of any trade. I work with surgeons, and you would be amazed how unfathomably expensive all their instruments are. (Though to be fair I do all my work on a pair of 100€ monitors.)

Do the surgeons buy their own instruments? I figure they'd belong to the hospital.

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by lastofthemojito »

I'm still weirded out by the fact that it has an entire computer in it. I mean, I'm sure other monitors have CPUs to drive their menus and all, but this has an entire A13 SoC - the same thing as an iPhone 11 or 9th gen iPad. I'm curious to see what hacks emerge - like, can you turn this expensive monitor into a budget iMac, or a giant iPad (without touch input)?

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by mistersquid »

vonseel wrote: post #35
mistersquid wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> would have given him a DPI increase over his previous 27" 1440p display. Any 4k screen would have also done that. While true, the ppi increase from most 4k screens would not be as large as the Apple Studio Display. Most 4k monitors are 24 inches, and those monitors will be 192.94 ppi. [0][1] The Apple Studio Display comes in at 218 ppi. [2] [0] https://www.sven.de/dpi/ [1] https://imgur.com/a/8Woe7Bn [2] https://ww…

> Most 4k monitors are 24 inches Where are you getting this? I was looking at monitors recently and it's impossible to find ANY 24" 4K monitors. Most of them are 27", which at that screen size you really need scaling. My LG 27" 4K recently went out so I downgraded to my older 1440p 27" monitor. I'm not using scaling anymore, but the text doesn't have that buttery smooth look...

> it's impossible to find ANY 24" 4K monitors

It's even worse than I thought!

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by jmull »

wodenokoto wrote: post #6

It does sound like there are alternatives: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei_2sWzzar0 It's super disappointing that the pro colorist chooses LG over the Mac (and someone at dell must be super sad to see their $4k screen lose to a "cheap" apple monitor!) as you'd expect Apple to fuss over such details and go all in on calibrating monitors before shipping. But it looks like they didn't calibrate anything. Monitor, sou…

In that video, doesn’t the pro colorist basically call it a tie between the 5K LG and 5K ASD after turning off the “true tone” feature?

(Not surprising since they use very similar, if not identical LG panels.)

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