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Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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Post by fer »

runnerup wrote: post #340
codegeek wrote: post #295

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For Google Workspace (previously called GSuite), you do get support. Anecdotal but I recently used their live chat and the person was very helpful and helped me figure out a weird issue with a lot of patience. I would say it was a pleasant experience but this was the only time I needed them so far so you never know :)

I've also reached reasonable-quality support due to being a paid consumer of GoogleOne, which includes phone support for most (all?) google consumer products.

I even had them call me within an hour of opening a ticket.

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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laurent92 wrote: post #396
throwuxiytayq wrote: post #380

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Depends on the service. For example, if proton bans me I can move my email to a different provider because I own my domain. In case of Obsidian, it's an offline app that uses Markdown, so I can easily migrate to a different note-taking software for any reason. Your backup note is on point; I highly recommend everyone to do a Google Takeout every few months (or at least years!!). If you've never done one, like most Go…

If your domain registar bans you, you’ll lose your email all the same. “GoDaddy has two major problems. First, their customer service (…). Second, if there are accusations made against you, they will shut you down and side with your accuser more often than not.“ https://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discuss...

> If your domain registar bans you, you’ll lose your email all the same.

Maybe? I would hope that you could raise the issue with the dowmain registry or ultimately ICANN if the registrar does not let you move the domain elsewhere after banning you. Registrars do not have the same platform ownership over domains that Google has over gmail accounts, they are just middlemen.

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karteum wrote: post #423
throwuxiytayq wrote: post #380

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Depends on the service. For example, if proton bans me I can move my email to a different provider because I own my domain. In case of Obsidian, it's an offline app that uses Markdown, so I can easily migrate to a different note-taking software for any reason. Your backup note is on point; I highly recommend everyone to do a Google Takeout every few months (or at least years!!). If you've never done one, like most Go…

Notice that Google Takeout is broken with regards to non-UTF8 email encodings (for some of you who archive old emails). I noticed it when coding a small tool https://github.com/karteum/gmvaultdb to (among other things) import the mbox from Takeout into an sqlite DB : Google performs some encoding conversions that permanently break all non-ascii characters in non-UTF8 emails (they are all replaced by 0xEFBFBD). In ord…

I think for email it makes sense to have an offline IMAP setup (i.e. a copy of all mail is downloaded) on at least one device (e.g. your desktop) so that you can still access things if you are abruptly cut off from the provider. This can come in handy even for temporary outages.

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bragr wrote: post #419
reincarnate0x14 wrote: post #408

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Protonmail specifically seems to have strange problems with some old and busted email systems, ex: I've seen several government ministries in Taiwan (roc) that for some reason can not send email to protonmail or domains MXed there and no one has been able to explain it to me.

Protonmail seems to routinely get flagged by fraud, spam, and security systems. You emails are probably getting eaten by a security appliance before it even reaches the government exchange server or whatever.

Protonmail is one of the few remaining email hosts that let you create a free account without a verified mobile phone number. It probably does get used for spam quite a bit - relatively to gmail/outlook/etc., not in absolute terms that is, IME most spam is from compromised hosts and botnets. Then again, the major mail providers, especial Microsoft, are really trigger happy and don't seem to care about the damage they do to smaller providers so it could just as well be lazyness or intentional anti-competitive behavior. I think at some point we will need legislation to keep email an open federated system.

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bogwog wrote: post #389
someotherperson wrote: post #206

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> Figuring out a fair and effective set of laws/regulations to control how these companies run their app stores seems way too hard and unrealistic. I don't think it's hard or unrealistic to force companies to provide realistic support. Entire industries have had this established for decades. Imagine you're renting office space and the landlord decides you've done something wrong, clears your things out and changes th…

That’s different though. There aren’t only 2 landlords in the world, so making laws that affect landlords makes sense. But how do you design a law that corrects the bad behavior of 2 monopolists, while at the same time not adding a burden to any potential competitors (and thereby strengthening the existing monopolies)? Forcing competition makes more sense to me. No need to get into endless debates about the risks to…

> while at the same time not adding a burden to any potential competitors (and thereby strengthening the existing monopolies)

Expecting some level of support being provided, especially in a paid B2B engagement, doesn't stifle competition. If a competitor can't provide basic support, especially when they're just starting up, then it's best that that business fails.

They're essentially modelling their business plan based on Google's worst attributes. That's not competition I'd like to see develop a foothold, or the type of competition we should be encouraging, let alone structure our laws to support.

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zepearl wrote: post #390
mitchdoogle wrote: post #372

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I admit I don't have a lot to compare between, but my company switched from Rackspace mail a couple years ago because of the unrelenting spam and seemingly no way to stop it. I suggested Google because I hardly ever see any spam there in my personal account, so we made the switch. The difference is night and day. I can look in the spam folder for my work email now and there are hundreds of spam messages there for the…

I believe you, but there is still the usual dark side that has been mentioned maaany times here: very often emails sent by small/tiny email providers aren't delivered at all to Gmail receivers. That's often the case with one of my friends who has a Gmail email address: anything that I send him (once or twice a year) doesn't even show up in his spam list without first making him start an email exchange to me => in my…

Silently dropping mail is something that should just not be tolerated. We need to enforce that email providers either deliver something (to the inbox or spam folder) or reject the mail at submission time - with legislation if needed.

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Post by account42 »

bryans wrote: post #464
tempnow987 wrote: post #445

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They charge a one time fee of $25 to get a developer account. They provide full SDK / tooling and other resources for that $25 fee. I don't know what universe android app developers are living in, this is basically "free" for most significant businesses. For that $25, you are NOT going to get white glove support / treatment. Not happening.

You are conveniently ignoring that developers create apps which are sold in Google's marketplace, of which Google takes a minimum of 15%. They are making more per developer than $25. Please take your inflammatory nonsense elsewhere.

Not to mention that Android would be worth a lot less if there were no third-party apps for it.

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tenuousemphasis wrote: post #343
ivanche wrote: post #312

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Hah, it seems you’re right! This is OPs LinkedIn profile https://www.linkedin.com/in/nadalizadeh/

What on the profile are you basing OP's Iranian nationality?

Speaks Persian, went to Tehran University, has Iranian name.

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Post by gondo »

q-big wrote: post #213
qalmakka wrote: post #22

I will say this once again: App Stores are too important in the current world to be left to the mercy of some big Internet company. I agree they should get a cut due to them being both the creators and maintainers of their platforms, but their ability to regulate what's in them should be left to a third party or government agency, just like trade is not left to its own devices and has regulators. Apple and Google are…

As long as * developers continue to develop apps for the respective app store (they could often create a web app, but they don't) * there is no outcry among users for competition (instead of monopoly) in the provides app store(s) nothing will change.

Web apps do not have access to all the features smartphone provides. This is by design (at least on iOS) to force developers to use the App Store.

Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”

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Post by Forgeties79 »

duped wrote: post #452
Forgeties79 wrote: post #366

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I can't imagine committing bandwidth to sue a major tech company. We didn't have a lawyer on retainer or something at my old company, we were a very small operation. I'm not saying it isn't an option at all, but it's not like going down the street to pick up some milk. It also just strikes me as silly we should have to sue a company to correct a relatively simple error they could fix if they'd just pay a modicum of a…

Lawyers are how you get them to pay attention and respond to you when companies do shitty things and you don't have recourse. It's really not that expensive or difficult to send a letter to their counsel and get a reply. Every business needs some kind of legal advice, they don't have to be on retainer. You probably did have one or more lawyers that your leadership was in contact with for particulars. Every business I…

Sure. I think I gave the wrong impression above, I just think for a lot of people it’s very daunting - and I definitely don’t think we should have to sue major companies to get basic service/responses. But I get what I want and what the reality is don’t always align haha
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