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Post by rexreed »

Calamitous wrote: post #378
skrtskrt wrote: post #258

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the editor for Google Docs is the one really good thing I can't get elsewhere, but I don't do that much important stuff in it - just like planning vacations, etc. Once I'm done editing something, if I want to back it up I can just export it elsewhere

For Google docs I switched to using a Synology server. Very nearly as good (better, in some ways) and I don’t have to worry about what Google is up to. The up-front cost and setup time is a stiff investment, but I’m much easier in mind now. The other side of the coin is my wife’s gmail, which is going to be deleted come May. So... we gotta figure that out.

What sort of collaborative editing does Synology allow? Is there a Nextcloud / Owncloud alternative to Docs / Sheets for collaborative editing?

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Post by scgtrp »

Qub3d wrote: post #379
koonsolo wrote: post #355

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So how do you know those services don't pull the same stunt? I use various google services, and do a monthly backup of everything. I guess that's a sane thing to do with any service, even self hosted ones.

Obsidian is a self-hosted repository that ultimately stores everything as plaintext markdown (.md). It is 100% portable and by default owned by you. Protip: you can easily sync obsidian by sharing the top-level vault directory with syncthing. Its entirely transparent, you just start obsidian and open the vault, and changes you make on one system automatically appear on others. As for protonmail, its better than googl…

I think you mean IMAP. Protonmail supports SMTP (the mail-sending protocol; it needs to to interoperate with other mail servers) but not IMAP (the client side mail-reading protocol).

SNMP is something entirely unrelated, afaik.

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Post by notreallyserio »

commandlinefan wrote: post #360
Closi wrote: post #207

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> Everyone here is commenting about overautomation, but this isn't an overautomation problem. It's a secondary sanctions problem. It's both. When you work with tech companies this kind of overautomation is rife. When you work with any other type of business they give you an account manager and you manage these issues openly together with a relationship. If there was a human at Google who picked up the phone and worke…

> this kind of overautomation is rife I've never worked with or for Google, but having worked for software companies my whole life, I suspect that it's overautomation, combined with "silo-ing". Even if somebody identifies the problem from the user's perspective, it becomes a rats nest of responsibilities to untangle to figure out who or what group(s) can address it and how. The people who actually understand how a pa…

There's also folks that justify their behavior and choices based on the size of their paychecks. As long as they get big numbers it doesn't matter if others lose their livelihoods arbitrarily and without recourse.

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Post by rootusrootus »

pastage wrote: post #241
natch wrote: post #192

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Please don’t lump Apple with Google on this. Apple has humans that answer the phone and help.

Who can not help you. Appstore policies are rife with catch-22, personally I have never had problems with Google but Apple has been a pain every time. I am unable to update a ten year old app because Apple think they know the 10k daily users better.

> I am unable to update a ten year old app because Apple think they know the 10k daily users better

I'd be interested in hearing more details.

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Post by twojacobtwo »

aunty_helen wrote: post #401
throwuxiytayq wrote: post #234

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After reading so many posts like this, I decided to bite the bullet and start moving off-Google. Funny thing is, ProtonMail and Obsidian are much better than Gmail and Keep anyway. I'm still forced to use Google stuff here and there but I'm no longer dependant on them, and coincidentally I've been sleeping much better recently.

If you like markdown note taking apps and want to move completely from being dependent on a 3rd party, I would suggest Joplin. Currently I'm syncing to a s3 bucket with e2e encryption but of course you could sync to a server you setup yourself including a basic windows box.

Seconded on the Joplin recommend.

I've been using it for a little over 3 years and it serves all my note-taking/storage needs, especially with the relatively recent addition of extensions/add-ons. I have had no issues syncing through either dropbox or Nextcloud.

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Post by nybble41 »

lolinder wrote: post #359
koonsolo wrote: post #355

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So how do you know those services don't pull the same stunt? I use various google services, and do a monthly backup of everything. I guess that's a sane thing to do with any service, even self hosted ones.

> So how do you know those services don't pull the same stunt? It's a questions of eggs per basket. Google wants you to keep everything in their one basket, and the result is that if they arbitrarily terminate your account, you lose everything . If they give you 30 days like OP, you have to remember all the different places you need to download content from. If you split your services up, a sudden termination only af…

> If they give you 30 days like OP, you have to remember all the different places you need to download content from.

Google Takeout (takeout.google.com) should give you almost everything in one place. It's a good idea to do this periodically in case you don't get the 30-day notice. Be prepared to download a few dozen GB, though. And there is no "incremental" option.

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Post by brightball »

triyambakam wrote: post #331
brightball wrote: post #316

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I’m happy with Proton right now too. Really just need a mobile app for the calendar and I’ll be all set.

There is a mobile Proton calendar app.

Not yet for iOS from what I’ve seen.

EDIT: Verified. Not yet for iOS.

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Post by ridgered4 »

LWIRVoltage wrote: post #84

This is the issue with data being tied and connected.... Not long ago, someone here raised similar concerns with Microsoft 's ecosystem It stemmed from their current underway process to force all Minecraft accounts to Microsoft accounts, and the current Microsoft account process, if you don't add a phone number during account creation, locks and bans the account automatically after a week with they only recovery opti…

Do you have the source information on the minecraft accounts? I'm about to fall on this grenade myself. Needless to say I've avoided an MS account like the plague but of course that didn't do much good in the end.

Can you play at all once banned?

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Post by bragr »

reincarnate0x14 wrote: post #408
throwuxiytayq wrote: post #234

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After reading so many posts like this, I decided to bite the bullet and start moving off-Google. Funny thing is, ProtonMail and Obsidian are much better than Gmail and Keep anyway. I'm still forced to use Google stuff here and there but I'm no longer dependant on them, and coincidentally I've been sleeping much better recently.

Protonmail specifically seems to have strange problems with some old and busted email systems, ex: I've seen several government ministries in Taiwan (roc) that for some reason can not send email to protonmail or domains MXed there and no one has been able to explain it to me.

Protonmail seems to routinely get flagged by fraud, spam, and security systems. You emails are probably getting eaten by a security appliance before it even reaches the government exchange server or whatever.

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Post by rvz »

jgod wrote: post #398
commandlinefan wrote: post #357

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> Google should not have the power I can't help but notice the "they're a private company, so they can do whatever they want" folks that pop up whenever somebody's account gets banned for political views are strangely silent right now...

They were cheering it on a week or two ago when it was against Russians. My favorite was when they were licking their lips and reaching ecstasy over Parler getting deplatformed but then throwing a tantrum like a week later when Terraria dev got banned by Google. Terraria guy and this guy simply need to build their own Google, Gmail, Play Store, and Android, easy! ;)

> They were cheering it on a week or two ago when it was against Russians.

Also celebrating that Google was ‘on their side’. Until they are not.

> My favorite was when they were licking their lips and reaching ecstasy over Parler getting deplatformed but then throwing a tantrum like a week later when Terraria dev got banned by Google.

That was my favorite one. Basically the chickens cheering on the wolves eating the other chickens that disagreed with them. Now the wolves are eating them as well and they are complaining why they are ‘not on their side’ anymore.

They thought it could never happen to them. Just use the same ‘private platform’ logic towards them for everyone else that is getting banned after Parler and now they are all crying in the comments here.

These companies are not on anyone’s side and these bans can happen to anyone on their platform. They won’t change.

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