So should one stay away from GCP as google can associate their personal account and profession account, and if the system detect some action which triggers it in personal account it may block all accounts and so there could be a severe data loss and other reputational losses of the company ?
Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”
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Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”
#352We gave these mofos an ecosytem because they were hiding behind the label of "free and open source software". Now they can screw anyone and not even answer to emails. They are nothing but crooks. All software giants hold too much power in their hands and nobody can touch them. What can you do? They have at least 50% of the market.
> What can you do?
https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 and https://pine64.org/pinephone.
Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”
#353Earlier quoted context omitted.
We had a fun merry go round with Apples humans just copy-pasting policy answers and refusing to actually understand the issue as well. They're not quite as bad as Google in this respect, but tying Apple chain over your neck for slightly less abusive system is a pretty Stockholm syndrome thing to do as well. You can't fix this by paying corporations more money.
You can ask Apple people to escalate to second tier support and beyond that if warranted they will even pull in engineering (not to talk to you directly but to resolve the issues behind the scenes). And with Apple you are talking to humans who also happen to be good communicators in my experience. If you’re having trouble with Apple, it’s probably you.
That escalation only happens with a chosen few companies (which I've been part of as well, but please understand, this is not the usual experience for most).
This experience is also available with Google - "you just need to know someone" or be a company they care about right now.
Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”
#354Once again, the resolution of this problem will come down to either the OP knowing a Google employee or a Google employee happening to see this and feeling pity. For the vast majority of people who deal with Google support and don't have access to Google employees how many of us on HN do, when the hammer strikes: they are completely out of options. I have such little trust in Google's automation for banning accounts…
> the resolution of this problem will come down to either the OP knowing a Google employee or a Google employee happening to see this and feeling pity.
In other words you need [transitive] "Google priviledge".
Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”
#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had a scare last year where Google supposedly gave me 30 days before they would shut off my Google account of 20yrs. Family photos, youtube videos, 20yrs of email, not to mention the treasure trove of personal documents on GDrive. It took two weeks to duplicate the content and back it up elsewhere. This is a paid tier Google account and I've yet to get an explanation on why this happened. It appears to be because o…
After reading so many posts like this, I decided to bite the bullet and start moving off-Google. Funny thing is, ProtonMail and Obsidian are much better than Gmail and Keep anyway. I'm still forced to use Google stuff here and there but I'm no longer dependant on them, and coincidentally I've been sleeping much better recently.
So how do you know those services don't pull the same stunt?
I use various google services, and do a monthly backup of everything. I guess that's a sane thing to do with any service, even self hosted ones.
Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”
#356Everyone here is commenting about overautomation, but this isn't an overautomation problem. It's a secondary sanctions problem. The developer isn't being banned for breaking Google's rules, he's being banned for having hired someone else who later broke those rules; and then that ban was transitively applied to their personal account as well. This is beyond the pale. Google should not have the power to decide who you…
I suppose the best practice solution to this is to try to keep company Google Play accounts as "sterile" as possible? Give access to as few employees as possible, and have all access to Google Play go through a designated, trusted release manager or "play account manager"? And don't log in to Google Play from random browsers and IP addresses which could create an association with other Google accounts?
> I suppose the best practice solution to this is to try to keep company Google Play accounts as "sterile" as possible?
This is probably "best" practice, but Google has randomly closed accounts for our mobile test devices. They're only used to run our (non-shady) apps on a single device that is never used with other accounts.
Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”
#357Everyone here is commenting about overautomation, but this isn't an overautomation problem. It's a secondary sanctions problem. The developer isn't being banned for breaking Google's rules, he's being banned for having hired someone else who later broke those rules; and then that ban was transitively applied to their personal account as well. This is beyond the pale. Google should not have the power to decide who you…
> Google should not have the power
I can't help but notice the "they're a private company, so they can do whatever they want" folks that pop up whenever somebody's account gets banned for political views are strangely silent right now...
Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”
#358Earlier quoted context omitted.
After reading so many posts like this, I decided to bite the bullet and start moving off-Google. Funny thing is, ProtonMail and Obsidian are much better than Gmail and Keep anyway. I'm still forced to use Google stuff here and there but I'm no longer dependant on them, and coincidentally I've been sleeping much better recently.
Obsidian?
I'm assuming they are referring to the note taking software: https://obsidian.md/
Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”
#359Earlier quoted context omitted.
After reading so many posts like this, I decided to bite the bullet and start moving off-Google. Funny thing is, ProtonMail and Obsidian are much better than Gmail and Keep anyway. I'm still forced to use Google stuff here and there but I'm no longer dependant on them, and coincidentally I've been sleeping much better recently.
So how do you know those services don't pull the same stunt? I use various google services, and do a monthly backup of everything. I guess that's a sane thing to do with any service, even self hosted ones.
> So how do you know those services don't pull the same stunt?
It's a questions of eggs per basket. Google wants you to keep everything in their one basket, and the result is that if they arbitrarily terminate your account, you lose everything. If they give you 30 days like OP, you have to remember all the different places you need to download content from.
If you split your services up, a sudden termination only affects a few things rather than everything, and a forewarned termination has a much smaller surface area you need to consider.
Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”
#360Everyone here is commenting about overautomation, but this isn't an overautomation problem. It's a secondary sanctions problem. The developer isn't being banned for breaking Google's rules, he's being banned for having hired someone else who later broke those rules; and then that ban was transitively applied to their personal account as well. This is beyond the pale. Google should not have the power to decide who you…
> Everyone here is commenting about overautomation, but this isn't an overautomation problem. It's a secondary sanctions problem. It's both. When you work with tech companies this kind of overautomation is rife. When you work with any other type of business they give you an account manager and you manage these issues openly together with a relationship. If there was a human at Google who picked up the phone and worke…
> this kind of overautomation is rife
I've never worked with or for Google, but having worked for software companies my whole life, I suspect that it's overautomation, combined with "silo-ing". Even if somebody identifies the problem from the user's perspective, it becomes a rats nest of responsibilities to untangle to figure out who or what group(s) can address it and how. The people who actually understand how a particular component works and can change it are limited to their particular component and the people who are nominally in charge of "everything" have no detailed visibility into anything at all.