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Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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I don't think there is anything else more illogical in modern society than waking up in building A, hopping in a car and fighting traffic for an hour to get to building B just to sit in front of a computer for 8 hours (perhaps with a few minimally productive meetings here and there), then commute back to building A 8 hours later. Building B sits empty for 16 hours a day while Building A sits empty for 10 with both be…

If the environmental impact is the only relevant factor for human interaction, then yes you're right. However society doesn't abide by isolation.

The environmental impact might end up being a crucial factor for continued human existence.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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I understood what they meant.

That’s a pretty low standard for written communication though.

It’s good enough to not complain about and spend my time on better things.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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> It's actually pretty easy to fire people in government jobs I suppose it depends on the government, but my experience is that it’s extremely difficult to fire people. I spoke with HR at a US federal organization that said their termination rate is .1% of employees and half of those are during the 1-year probation period. That’s extremely low and I think an indicator of how hard it is to fire people in government. I…

What do you think the termination rate should be, and why? One big confound to remember is that it’s generally hard to get US government jobs because a lot of work has been outsourced to contractors, so the federal workforce trends older and more experienced. That pool of people is less likely to be fired for cause in general. When thinking about why you believe more people should be fired, consider the politics — bo…

I don’t know what the rate is, but for comparison, a similarly sized organization, but private sector had a 1% firing rate or 10x.

But my point is more about contrasting people who say firing is east without and experience or data to back it up. It’s like saying “Batting .500 is easy” when their own at bat it .200 or not even measured.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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>This is not true. There are many such opportunities if you ask, especially now. Your statement definitely does not apply where I currently live (Austria). No tech company I've interviewed here is 100% remote as of now. They always expect more or less around 30-50% in office presence for new hires. They almost always have some staff at near 100% remote but those are usually tenured employees that management does not…

I just interviewed yesterday with an Austrian company from here on HN, that was 100% remote... I guess it depends on your region/vertical ?

Would you mind sharing a name please. If privacy is concerned my email is in my profile. Thanks.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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I don't think there is anything else more illogical in modern society than waking up in building A, hopping in a car and fighting traffic for an hour to get to building B just to sit in front of a computer for 8 hours (perhaps with a few minimally productive meetings here and there), then commute back to building A 8 hours later. Building B sits empty for 16 hours a day while Building A sits empty for 10 with both be…

I was appalled to find our office lease was $20,000 a month. We could hire two FTEs for the price of that office, and we are not even in a premium space. To your point about efficiency: I don't believe our office produces 2 FTE's worth of additional productivity across the whole org. Leadership thinks it does, but assuming we acquire decent talent, that would be a net 10% increase in engineering. I don't believe the…

In the end, someone has to pay for office space: either you as the employer, or your employees in the form of higher rent/mortgage for a larger home with dedicated office areas. (And for employees with families based in urban areas, such a larger home may be entirely unaffordable.)

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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What do you think the termination rate should be, and why? One big confound to remember is that it’s generally hard to get US government jobs because a lot of work has been outsourced to contractors, so the federal workforce trends older and more experienced. That pool of people is less likely to be fired for cause in general. When thinking about why you believe more people should be fired, consider the politics — bo…

I don’t know what the rate is, but for comparison, a similarly sized organization, but private sector had a 1% firing rate or 10x. But my point is more about contrasting people who say firing is east without and experience or data to back it up. It’s like saying “Batting .500 is easy” when their own at bat it .200 or not even measured.

> I don’t know what the rate is, but for comparison, a similarly sized organization, but private sector had a 1% firing rate or 10x.

What was the relative breakdown of their workforce by seniority? What did that look like on the .gov side if you include the contractors who've been the majority of the workforce growth since the 90s? I've seen a lot more churn in the latter and suspect that if you combined the two that gap would close considerably.

> But my point is more about contrasting people who say firing is east without and experience or data to back it up.

On the subject of data, you have one anonymous anecdote of unknown size or completeness.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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I don't think there is anything else more illogical in modern society than waking up in building A, hopping in a car and fighting traffic for an hour to get to building B just to sit in front of a computer for 8 hours (perhaps with a few minimally productive meetings here and there), then commute back to building A 8 hours later. Building B sits empty for 16 hours a day while Building A sits empty for 10 with both be…

Let's not deal with absolutes here. I enjoy working from home because my setup is comfy and I live mostly alone. But I'm also aware not everyone has the privilege like this. Not even myself last year before I moved out.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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> The office is not as bad as people make it out to be Correction: "[my] office is not as bad [for me] as [other] people make [their offices] out to be [for them]" Every office I've worked in has been horrible to work in. I hate being around other people, the random distractions of office noises/smells/etc, and I hate not having control over my environment so that I can be comfortable. For people like me who specific…

> For people like me who specifically want to not see other humans unless they're family or friends, it really is that bad. Thank you! I'm going to use this. Other than my family and friends, the humans I regularly deal with are somewhere between terrible and mediocre. If they weren't, they'd be my friends.

Glad to get validation/confirmation that there really are multiple of us out there in the world lol. It's discouraging that people are either completely ignorant or are willing to deny that others are different, including in how much interest we have (or don't have) in being around others. I feel the same as you about people and hope we continue to have options expand for controlling who we interact with

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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>This is not true. There are many such opportunities if you ask, especially now. Your statement definitely does not apply where I currently live (Austria). No tech company I've interviewed here is 100% remote as of now. They always expect more or less around 30-50% in office presence for new hires. They almost always have some staff at near 100% remote but those are usually tenured employees that management does not…

> as US taxes aren't that much lower than in Europe. US taxes being similar to Europe (which in my experience is true) certainly does not equate to an equivalent safety net.

It's exactly what I said.

Re: The worst part of working from home is now haunting reopened offices

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I don't think there is anything else more illogical in modern society than waking up in building A, hopping in a car and fighting traffic for an hour to get to building B just to sit in front of a computer for 8 hours (perhaps with a few minimally productive meetings here and there), then commute back to building A 8 hours later. Building B sits empty for 16 hours a day while Building A sits empty for 10 with both be…

Let's not deal with absolutes here. I enjoy working from home because my setup is comfy and I live mostly alone. But I'm also aware not everyone has the privilege like this. Not even myself last year before I moved out.

I work from home in a 1br. I prefer my own desk area, especially my own toilet (my word the stalls at work after the first cup of coffee must have hit...), being able to concurrently do a load of laundry while concurrently doing some other work task, working out in meetings, getting random stuff from the grocery store if i need something for lunch or another bag of coffee, and being able to make appointments at government offices during the day when its actually convenient vs the limited hours they are open on saturday when the entire 9-5 contingent of the city floods the dmv. Not to mention my day just expanded by a full two hours because I am no longer burning that on commuting on a bus that bounces too much to even read my phone screen.

At work I have a windowless office and a lopsided desk chair, and people have stolen my food from the fridge.

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