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California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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This doesn't work with alcohol or nicotine. Why should it work with MDMA?

One might rather live in a world where MDMA (a far less addicting substance with more acute rather than chronic side effects) is endemic rather than those two.

Yeah, MDMA will simply stop working for you for a while after you do it a few times in a row. Alcohol, not really.

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Where do you live? Even when I lived in East London I never felt a threat of real violence including travelling worldwide. I felt more likely to be beaten up as a teenager wearing heavy metal or grunge look from other packs of roaming teens (small town UK). Wishing you more peace in the future!

In the heart of Portland, Oregon. It was safe as fuck before the pandemic. I grew up in Los Angeles and lived in East LA awhile; lived in Bedford-Stuyvesant two years; lived in the Tenderloin for a year (not the way it is now). I've also lived in Prague, Barcelona, Saigon, Bangkok, Sydney (King's Cross, before the fall of it). The total chaos and anarchy of Portland right now is hard to explain. Almost everyone I kno…

> I was a die-hard liberal progressive two years ago, before I had savage children on drugs waging running melees with rocks and trying to rape each other's girlfriends in front of my house all night.

I don’t understand this. It would make me more progressive if I saw that. What are the economic, political, social forces that are causing that? Is it that we are a fair country that treats people with dignity? Or is it that we are Country with a huge separation of wealth that doesn’t mind letting people suffer in homelessness.

It sounds like it’s not that scene, but your wealth, that made you less progressive, and wanted to protect it that caused you to become less progressive.

Where do you think the people causing all the crime come from? Why do people commit crime? I’m pretty sure people don’t commit crime when their lives are going great. And I’m sure it’s the same thing with drug addiction.

And the people that run Portland? They’re not progressive, not in the least.

Threatening a man who is beating a dog in your front yard with a gun does not make you conservative, it makes you caring. Don’t buy into the paradigm that if you own a gun you are suddenly conservative. That’s just propaganda both sides want to live inside of you.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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I have always thought it is hysterical that there are street drugs (MDMA, Ketamine) that have an immediate impact on emotions, yet the global medical establishment only supports drugs that take 2-4 weeks to 'kick in' with a very slight change that a substantial amount of patients do not even get. What is going on when we measure competency that way.

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Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Last summer I had a psychadelic-assisted therapy session with MDMA and a guide (along with integration session after the main experience). It was one of the more powerful experiences of my life, and has led to sustained positive change in my life.

The experience itself was at a hotel room I had booked. For just under six hours, I lay on the bed with an eye mask and headphones playing instrumental music picked by my guide. MDMA is commonly known as a party drug but under different settings and with different intentions, it had the power to turn to yourself examine yourself and your life in a state of love free of the fear and anxiety that we often feel in life. At least for me, this produced clarifying insights about myself and my life which have persisted long after the session.

Very excited to see progress being made for the use of MDMA to treat PTSD, and hopefully a broader class of people beyond that.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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One might rather live in a world where MDMA (a far less addicting substance with more acute rather than chronic side effects) is endemic rather than those two.

Yeah, MDMA will simply stop working for you for a while after you do it a few times in a row. Alcohol, not really.

You literally described what addiction is in reference to MDMA. And this is going to be the problem with the drug for treating mood disorders. Just like Prozac, it will stop working And you will need a larger dose for the same action.

Just because you don’t actively go out and seek for a drug does not mean you are not addicted (conditioned)to it.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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I don't think this stuff should be sold, say, in a gas station beside the humpty dumpty peanuts... but it does have its place. The mental health epidemic for returning veterans for example[1]: "More than 45,000 veterans and active-duty service members have killed themselves in the past six years. That is more than 20 deaths a day — in other words, __more suicides each year than the total American military deaths in A…

> I don't think this stuff should be sold, say, in a gas station beside the humpty dumpty peanuts... but it does have its place. But alcohol (or tobacco) should? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rational_scale_to_asses...

No, they shouldn’t.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Not a huge factor really because schedule 1 DEA permits are available. I know a few academics with them. The wreckless abandon with which psychedelics were handed out Willy nilly was some of the evidence for making them schedule 1. Leary was in the 60’s and the Drug Control Act wasn’t until the 70’s. Not a direct cause and effect, but certainly a contribution.

The point is that big pharma was pouring money into research of these chemicals to use them for treatment in therapy. The cases of abuse that ultimately led to the stigmatization where blown up because that narrative served the view that the general public had of these substances anyway. The same rhetoric people use today: "encryption should be forbidden because paedophilia|money laundering| " > Not a huge factor rea…

I'm not saying the stigma was deserved, just saying it was ammo for opponents to make these drugs schedule 1 to "protect the children".

It's kind of how crypto has a reputation for buying drugs online and money laundering. When something gets tainted like that it's hard to shake it.

It's a chicken and egg thing. What I'm saying is the scheduling and bad reputation came after the reckless use of the 60's - not before.

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After this whole debacle in Canada [1] where two therapists were doing some downright freaky cuddle puddle from hell with a blindfold on a traumatized person, I am more curious about what they're doing to screen the therapists. These people hardly met the guidelines that MAPS set for therapy, and as described quite ridiculously violated people's well being instead. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/…

Drug 'em up, mask 'em up, make 'em face their darkest fears. That's the enduring pattern of a lot of "coming of age" initiation rituals across many different cultures. I'm not shocked to see this is the approach an unaccredited drum-beatin' hippie looking couple in beautiful British Columbia tried to carry out.

To say that people with mood disorders are “not facing the darkest fears” is about as primitive and frankly stupid as it gets.

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In the heart of Portland, Oregon. It was safe as fuck before the pandemic. I grew up in Los Angeles and lived in East LA awhile; lived in Bedford-Stuyvesant two years; lived in the Tenderloin for a year (not the way it is now). I've also lived in Prague, Barcelona, Saigon, Bangkok, Sydney (King's Cross, before the fall of it). The total chaos and anarchy of Portland right now is hard to explain. Almost everyone I kno…

> I was a die-hard liberal progressive two years ago, before I had savage children on drugs waging running melees with rocks and trying to rape each other's girlfriends in front of my house all night. I don’t understand this. It would make me more progressive if I saw that. What are the economic, political, social forces that are causing that? Is it that we are a fair country that treats people with dignity? Or is it…

When politicians run on a progressive platform, institute progressive policies on crime (no bail, avoid prison, no punishment for QOL crime) and then crime goes nuts, I'd think twice about voting for progressive policies too.

But I think your point is "no true progressive" - if the policy didn't work, then it's not progressive because progressive policies always work.

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