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California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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After this whole debacle in Canada [1] where two therapists were doing some downright freaky cuddle puddle from hell with a blindfold on a traumatized person, I am more curious about what they're doing to screen the therapists. These people hardly met the guidelines that MAPS set for therapy, and as described quite ridiculously violated people's well being instead. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/…

Fascinating how the 2020's is turning into a rerun of the 1960's-1970's: riots, rising oil prices, supply shocks, rising inflation and now the same "wild west" mentality about psychedelics that killed all legitimate research back then.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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post #41

After this whole debacle in Canada [1] where two therapists were doing some downright freaky cuddle puddle from hell with a blindfold on a traumatized person, I am more curious about what they're doing to screen the therapists. These people hardly met the guidelines that MAPS set for therapy, and as described quite ridiculously violated people's well being instead. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/…

Fascinating how the 2020's is turning into a rerun of the 1960's-1970's: riots, rising oil prices, supply shocks, rising inflation and now the same "wild west" mentality about psychedelics that killed all legitimate research back then.

What killed legitimate research was the FUD-informed Schedule 1 classification (or similar, outside the US) of the most promising agents in this field.

Particularly LSD but also MDMA.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gave you an upvote. CBT has done so much damage and really is a step backwards for those with trauma. It's ridiculous how all the knowledge we have about trauma still hasn't hit the mainstream psychiatric institution yet and 9 out of 10 times with the average provider it comes down to "Have you tried CBT?" versus trauma informed treatments that actually work (somatic therapy, IFS, EMDR, ketamine/psychedelics, stellat…

CBT and meds are insurance friendly. Even if therapists don't like it, they're basically forced into it by the system, otherwise payments are more likely to get clawed back in an audit by the insurance company. And why does insurance like CBT and meds? CBT is time boxed in many ways and 'evidence based'. Psychoanalysis and other therapy types are effectively not, and insurance already doesn't like paying for mental h…

"Where Is the Evidence for “Evidence-Based” Therapy?" is a pretty interesting paper on "evidence based" therapy.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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I don't think this stuff should be sold, say, in a gas station beside the humpty dumpty peanuts... but it does have its place. The mental health epidemic for returning veterans for example[1]: "More than 45,000 veterans and active-duty service members have killed themselves in the past six years. That is more than 20 deaths a day — in other words, __more suicides each year than the total American military deaths in A…

> I don't think this stuff should be sold, say, in a gas station beside the humpty dumpty peanuts... but it does have its place.

But alcohol (or tobacco) should?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rational_scale_to_asses...

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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post #41

After this whole debacle in Canada [1] where two therapists were doing some downright freaky cuddle puddle from hell with a blindfold on a traumatized person, I am more curious about what they're doing to screen the therapists. These people hardly met the guidelines that MAPS set for therapy, and as described quite ridiculously violated people's well being instead. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/…

Fascinating how the 2020's is turning into a rerun of the 1960's-1970's: riots, rising oil prices, supply shocks, rising inflation and now the same "wild west" mentality about psychedelics that killed all legitimate research back then.

You forgot the crime wave. From 2003-2021 I kept my gun in a safe at night. Now I take it out and put it next to my bed. I haven't changed. My threat assessment has.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fascinating how the 2020's is turning into a rerun of the 1960's-1970's: riots, rising oil prices, supply shocks, rising inflation and now the same "wild west" mentality about psychedelics that killed all legitimate research back then.

What killed legitimate research was the FUD-informed Schedule 1 classification (or similar, outside the US) of the most promising agents in this field. Particularly LSD but also MDMA.

Not a huge factor really because schedule 1 DEA permits are available. I know a few academics with them.

The wreckless abandon with which psychedelics were handed out Willy nilly was some of the evidence for making them schedule 1.

Leary was in the 60’s and the Drug Control Act wasn’t until the 70’s. Not a direct cause and effect, but certainly a contribution.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fascinating how the 2020's is turning into a rerun of the 1960's-1970's: riots, rising oil prices, supply shocks, rising inflation and now the same "wild west" mentality about psychedelics that killed all legitimate research back then.

You forgot the crime wave. From 2003-2021 I kept my gun in a safe at night. Now I take it out and put it next to my bed. I haven't changed. My threat assessment has.

Where do you live? Even when I lived in East London I never felt a threat of real violence including travelling worldwide.

I felt more likely to be beaten up as a teenager wearing heavy metal or grunge look from other packs of roaming teens (small town UK).

Wishing you more peace in the future!

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What killed legitimate research was the FUD-informed Schedule 1 classification (or similar, outside the US) of the most promising agents in this field. Particularly LSD but also MDMA.

Not a huge factor really because schedule 1 DEA permits are available. I know a few academics with them. The wreckless abandon with which psychedelics were handed out Willy nilly was some of the evidence for making them schedule 1. Leary was in the 60’s and the Drug Control Act wasn’t until the 70’s. Not a direct cause and effect, but certainly a contribution.

The point is that big pharma was pouring money into research of these chemicals to use them for treatment in therapy.

The cases of abuse that ultimately led to the stigmatization where blown up because that narrative served the view that the general public had of these substances anyway.

The same rhetoric people use today: "encryption should be forbidden because paedophilia|money laundering|"

> Not a huge factor really because schedule 1 DEA permits are available. I know a few academics with them.

What good is an permit if you don't have anyone to fund your research? And how do you get research funded for something that can't be brought to market because ... Schedule 1?

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot the crime wave. From 2003-2021 I kept my gun in a safe at night. Now I take it out and put it next to my bed. I haven't changed. My threat assessment has.

Where do you live? Even when I lived in East London I never felt a threat of real violence including travelling worldwide. I felt more likely to be beaten up as a teenager wearing heavy metal or grunge look from other packs of roaming teens (small town UK). Wishing you more peace in the future!

In the heart of Portland, Oregon.

It was safe as fuck before the pandemic. I grew up in Los Angeles and lived in East LA awhile; lived in Bedford-Stuyvesant two years; lived in the Tenderloin for a year (not the way it is now). I've also lived in Prague, Barcelona, Saigon, Bangkok, Sydney (King's Cross, before the fall of it). The total chaos and anarchy of Portland right now is hard to explain. Almost everyone I know has been attacked on the street, or a victim of random violence in the past two years. Every other city in America that had a meth or fentanyl problem gave their worst cases a one-way bus ticket to Portland, in part because "let the liberals deal with it". I was a die-hard liberal progressive two years ago, before I had savage children on drugs waging running melees with rocks and trying to rape each other's girlfriends in front of my house all night. Now I'm just waiting for the night I have to shoot someone coming into my house.

I think the only other place I sort of felt this way was Avignon. I lived on Rue des Teinturieres. It's a bit of a siege mentality when the drug dealers outside your window are blasting music so loud it sounds like they're standing over your bed at night.

At the start of the pandemic, Portland police announced they would no longer respond to any emergency calls unless a person's life was in danger. And the district attorney ran and won on the platform that he wouldn't prosecute anyone for any crime short of murder. The result is a free-fire zone. I showed up at my local bar a couple months ago and it was a crime scene with 30-40 bullet casings scattered under the table where I usually have a drink. My friend who had walked home from there a few nights prior had been jumped and had his leg broken because he was gay- by a man wearing full Joker makeup, who is still sitting and laughing to himself on the corner two blocks from my house. A boy and his girlfriend camped their van in front of my place and the boy beat their dog with a long metal pole, screaming and high on drugs. The neighbors tried calling animal services, the police wouldn't come, and this went on for days and nights, with the dog yelping in pain until I went in the street with a gun and told him it was time to leave. He got in their van screaming at me, and wrecked it into six parked cars around the corner. And finally he got arrested.

Shit, okay, I should stop.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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If you're interested in MDMA sessions, and specifically MAPS (the pharma company that runs the trials), you might want to listen to the Cover story podcast, which deals with the MDMA/psylocybin culture of California as well as these trials. The first episode is at [1], the first episode dealing with maps is at [2]. These rape allegations are highly disconcerting and disheartening. [1] https://www.thecut.com/2021/11/c…

Do you know I believe this without even reading those articles? Because MDMA is nothing new. Really it’s not. All it does is artificially increase serotonin. This is not a change of paradigm, it’s the same old thinking that never ends up helping anyone. And the only people who package drug that does the same thing as an old drug that never helps anyone are sociopaths.
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