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$625M worth of ETH drained on Axie Infinity's Ronin Network

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Who would pay for porn? Someone who wants to see what's behind that paywall. Crytocurrency is difficult and costly to trace and exchange identifying not available to Syria. VPNs would be used Same process for other currencies on Binance and other exchanges.

When did Binance start to accept the Syrian Pound? This is just the usual hand-waving that ignores all the inconvenient details.

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>> It doesn't. Everyone who claims otherwise can't come up with a single credible example. > Buying a subscription to gay.com from Syria. That is not a credible example. Here are some reasons: 1) Paying for porn? Paying for porn when the implication is that it's illegal and could get you in trouble? Who would do that? 2) Cryptocurrency isn't anonymous, and is usually highly traceable. 3) And even if it was anonymous,…

Who would pay for porn? Someone who wants to see what's behind that paywall. Crytocurrency is difficult and costly to trace and exchange identifying not available to Syria. VPNs would be used Same process for other currencies on Binance and other exchanges.

The addition of cryptocurrency to the process adds no value (and in this case adds unnecessary risk). You might as well suggest using cryptocurrency to buy a Big Mac at McDonalds. Here's how you do it:

1. Deposit your money in a bank. Wire it to Binance. Buy Bitcoin.

2. Go to a McDonald's.

3. Hire a gig worker through an app, pay them in cryptocurrency to buy a Big Mac with fiat and give it to you.

4. Eat your $55 Big Mac, and wonder at the amazing real-world utility of cryptocurrency.

Re: $625M worth of ETH drained on Axie Infinity's Ronin Network

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This is the kind of pain that comes from trusting scammers and nincompoops about unworkable blockchain "scalability" fixes. Here's the sequence. Those dumb enough to ignore it are doomed to repeat the pattern. I'm probably getting some details wrong in this Rube Goldberg scheme, so feel free to correct. 1. Citing "Ethereum network congestion," Axie Infinity announces an ethereum side chain, Ronin.[1] 2. Ronin was a c…

This is exactly why crypto is such a disaster. Every week there is yet another scam where people losing their money. The feedback from crypto enthusiasts is well look at those idiots for putting their money into some scheme or you are not smart enough use this thing. Look "nobody" understands what you are talking about. These financial systems are inscrutable and the problem is getting worse. You are building systems…

«This is exactly why crypto is such a disaster.»

Correction: this is exactly why MONEY is such a disaster.

There has always been scams involving money since, well, since money was invented. You guys portray crypto as being particularly terrible, but the truth is there are hundred times (or more) more money being lost to scams involving the US dollar or the Euro. Crypto is no better or no worse in this regard. Some people will always make dumb mistakes with their money. For example just in the US alone, last year, $5.8 billion was lost to fraud: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/22/consumers-lost-5point8-billi... that's excluding 7.6 billion people outside of America, or money lost to causes other than fraud (eg. theft), etc, etc

Re: $625M worth of ETH drained on Axie Infinity's Ronin Network

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The first ransomware attack was in 1989.

PLEASE elaborate, I'm intrigued.

> In the late 1980s, criminals were already holding encrypted files hostage in exchange for cash sent via the postal service. One of the first ransomware attacks ever documented was the AIDS trojan (PC Cyborg Virus) that was released via floppy disk in 1989. Victims needed to send $189 to a P.O. box in Panama to restore access to their systems, even though it was a simple virus that utilized symmetric cryptography.

https://www.crowdstrike.com/cybersecurity-101/ransomware/his...

Note that in 1989 Panama was a narco-state, so running a scheme like this via there made some sense.

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I'm out of the loop and trying to understand - people lent over half a billion dollars of their 'real' fake money (ETH) to a game studio so they could transact on the studio's sidechain because gas fees are prohibitively expensive on ETH, and then the game studio got hacked and lost it all? How was this ever going to end any other way? Imagine how preposterous the idea of storing $650mm in USD in a random game studio…

What do you mean by 'real' fake money? ETH is money.

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You are neglecting to mention the great upsides in crypto currency. * Giving criminals and scammers the ability to exchange goods and services anonymously. * Providing a source of funding North Korea's nuclear weapons program * Allowing nation states to engage in global commerce despite sanctions because they won't stop killing innocent people * Convincing older and gullible people to give their money to someone they…

Ukraine raised $100 million in crypto donations. It's going to be offering an NFT series on Ethereum to raise yet more funds: https://qz.com/2147694/ukraine-is-selling-nfts-like-war-bond... Beyond the state's fundraising efforts, many in Ukraine were only able to take their wealth with them when they fled the country because they had it in the form of crypto. >>* Giving criminals and scammers the ability to exchange…

As always with crypto, this “use case” falls apart on even the tiniest inspection.

Ukraine was not cut off from the global financial system and had no issue receiving donations in fiat currency—I myself sent them some fiat. It was quick and it was easy and the Ukrainians lost a hell of a lot less of my donation to transaction fees than they did of the ETH.

Donating to Ukraine in ETH is a higher-fee way to do something you can already do (this is typical of purported blockchain “use cases”). If you actually care about the recipient of the donation, you should want as little of the donation to be siphoned off as transaction fees as possible.

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Buying a subscription to gay.com from Syria. Your on the clock..

>> It doesn't. Everyone who claims otherwise can't come up with a single credible example. > Buying a subscription to gay.com from Syria. That is not a credible example. Here are some reasons: 1) Paying for porn? Paying for porn when the implication is that it's illegal and could get you in trouble? Who would do that? 2) Cryptocurrency isn't anonymous, and is usually highly traceable. 3) And even if it was anonymous,…

You need to spend more time thinking about this. You’ll end up realising that the value lies in self sovereign, permissionless money. Tech like Monero. The debt ceiling grows every day.

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You are neglecting to mention the great upsides in crypto currency. * Giving criminals and scammers the ability to exchange goods and services anonymously. * Providing a source of funding North Korea's nuclear weapons program * Allowing nation states to engage in global commerce despite sanctions because they won't stop killing innocent people * Convincing older and gullible people to give their money to someone they…

The last six months proved that governments are willing to debank their own citizens and entire countries without due process. Thank god for crypto.

Precisely. Not sure why the pseudo intellectuals of HN don’t get it.

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This is exactly why crypto is such a disaster. Every week there is yet another scam where people losing their money. The feedback from crypto enthusiasts is well look at those idiots for putting their money into some scheme or you are not smart enough use this thing. Look "nobody" understands what you are talking about. These financial systems are inscrutable and the problem is getting worse. You are building systems…

« This is exactly why crypto is such a disaster. » Correction: this is exactly why MONEY is such a disaster. There has always been scams involving money since, well, since money was invented. You guys portray crypto as being particularly terrible, but the truth is there are hundred times (or more) more money being lost to scams involving the US dollar or the Euro. Crypto is no better or no worse in this regard. Some…

Percentage wise, crypto is obviously the scam king.

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This is exactly why crypto is such a disaster. Every week there is yet another scam where people losing their money. The feedback from crypto enthusiasts is well look at those idiots for putting their money into some scheme or you are not smart enough use this thing. Look "nobody" understands what you are talking about. These financial systems are inscrutable and the problem is getting worse. You are building systems…

« This is exactly why crypto is such a disaster. » Correction: this is exactly why MONEY is such a disaster. There has always been scams involving money since, well, since money was invented. You guys portray crypto as being particularly terrible, but the truth is there are hundred times (or more) more money being lost to scams involving the US dollar or the Euro. Crypto is no better or no worse in this regard. Some…

Crypto is far worse. You need to normalize the amount-looted by the amount of transactions conducted.

Very clearly 'traditional' finance is far safer. There's a reason financial institutions are annoying and stodgy -- they have centuries of hard-lessons-learned. Crypto 'disruption' is mostly throwing away that painful experience.

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