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Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Post by flavius29663 » Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 6:38 PM UTC

BTCOG wrote: post #117

_8j50 wrote: post #74

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Even american security companies have ties to the intelligence community. Kaspersky is no different. In most countries private sector pays more so state hackers work at places like Crowdstrike or Kaspersky after some time. Their relationship with the IC helps develop and share intelligence both ways.

It's not just security companies. US ISPs are heavily tied to agencies and so are the large corps. The media is state ran just like Russia.

The media is heavily biased in the US, but nowhere near Russia style.

You can still find the opposing views, quite easily.

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Post by ridgered4 » Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 6:39 PM UTC

gamblor956 wrote: post #194

annoyingnoob wrote: post #115

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I have personally watched Windows Defender fail to notice a real virus infection from a USB flash drive. The USB flash drive was plugged in and instantly Windows was infected - Windows Defender did nothing. You could then manually run a Windows Defender scan and it would find the infection but it would not prevent the infection. I think one's need for a security product should match one's exposure to issues - it depe…

MS Defender used to automatically scan USB devices when plugged in but that's not the default anymore (and AFAIK hasn't been for a few years since one of the major updates); you now have to enable it somewhere non-intuitive (like the Policy Editor?).

That's a really bizarre choice of default setting.

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Post by saiya-jin » Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 6:39 PM UTC

naoqj wrote: post #187

edgyquant wrote: post #153

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Which is the entire point of their argument? The Russian government is objectively worse by any honest metric.

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I, as non-US citizen, thus having sub-human rights in eyes of every US 3-letter agency, still prefer very much US approach to, well, practically any matter compared to Russian one.

For Russians, they really don't like anybody else. All that slavic closeness is crap as we can see in Ukraine and elsewhere. Heck, they don't care about other Russians neither, just a cannon fodder and poor fuckers to exploit and then throw away like garbage. They may very well like to see the entire world burn in nuclear hell if they don't get what they want, that's why current situation is really one of those moments in history when future is decided.

It would sure as hell help US image in entire world to actually backtrack a bit all those spying initiatives towards friendly, democratic and in all-important-US-aligned countries. Showing some respect with deeds and not just empty words and so on. I don't know how much that was/is visible from inside, but Trump made huge amount of damage to that, although to be fair he was just a continuation of overall trend.

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Post by flavius29663 » Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 6:41 PM UTC

ElectricalUnion wrote: post #132

nanochad wrote: post #31

We have placed full sanctions on Russia. It's common sense not to rely on them too much.

> full sanctions [citation needed] Isn't oil, gas and food trade still allowed? That is not "full sanctions".

oil and gas were banned by the US

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Post by bboozzoo » Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 6:42 PM UTC

naoqj wrote: post #187

edgyquant wrote: post #153

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Which is the entire point of their argument? The Russian government is objectively worse by any honest metric.

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That's funny as the thread is about contrasting Russia with US, but I don't seen to recall US invading any neighboring countries under the false pretense of defending some minorities.

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Post by UnFleshedOne » Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 6:42 PM UTC

viktorcode wrote: post #193

Maursault wrote: post #54

Ok, let's cut the crap. Is Kaspersky a dirtbag or not? I suspect not, but it is an unfortunate accident he was born in and runs his company from Russia, the government of which is a dirtbag, so, correct me if I am wrong, Kaspersky must be a dirtbag by association, but especially for discovering Stuxnet. Believable, but I think the real reasons Kaspersky is persona non grata is due to having discovered Stuxnet, and Ka…

It doesn't matter. The fact is Kaspersky (the company) can be coerced by the Russian government to exploit their highly privileged systems access to millions of computers around the globe. I don't expect Kaspersky (the person) to play hero under these circumstances.

Don't expect him to be _able_ to play hero even if he wanted.

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Post by alimov » Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 6:42 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #235

alimov wrote: post #231

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Please explain how they are not equivalent. Just because two governments are on good terms or are in some kind of partnership does not guarantee that one or the other will not take actions that benefit only them. What am I missing here?

> explain how they are not equivalent Press. Political competition. Courts. Broadly, the rule of law. Nobody is perfect at any of these. But if the FSB wants a code change in Kaspersky, they're getting that code change. There is no independent press to report it. No opposition incentivized to call them out on it. No court in which they could lose.

While the methods may differ, is this not true of any governments intelligence agencies? Whether or not there is press/courts/rule of law. For press to report on an event they have to be aware of it, for courts to intervene they also have to be aware of it, for rule of law to matter then no part of a government can operate outside of it in any manner, so no extrajudicial actions either.

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Post by DiogenesKynikos » Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 6:43 PM UTC

lern_too_spel wrote: post #156

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #91

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Snowden's leaks showed that the NSA was simply ignoring the 4th Amendment, and that the secret FISA court was letting the NSA do so. Theoretically, the Constitution protects you. In reality, the intelligence community acts largely in secret, and there's very little preventing them from violating the Bill of Rights. Citizens don't even know what rights they've given up until someone like Snowden spills the beans.

No, Snowden's leaks show DoD lawyers working hard to justify programs under the 4th Amendment. In the fallout of the leaks, all but phone metadata collection passed muster.

The dragnet surveillance programs that Snowden revealed are obviously outlawed by the 4th Amendment.

Of course lawyers working for these agencies will try to justify them. That's what they're paid to do. During the Bush Jr. years, lawyers for the administration also argued that torture was legal, despite the fact that it's blatantly illegal.

Nevertheless, these programs are incredibly difficult to challenge in court, because the secrecy surrounding them makes even proving standing nearly impossible.

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Post by jcranberry » Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 6:44 PM UTC

cf141q5325 wrote: post #80

mrtnmcc wrote: post #63

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Plenty of legit potential concerns.. Russian govt could "nationalize" Kaspersky at any moment and push rogue updates.

Shouldnt i have the same concerns with software from the US? You dont really have to nationalize to force devs to push malicious code (looking at you Australia)

Maybe, if the US government thought they could get some useful information from you.

Re: Kaspersky is declared a US national security threat and is banned by the FCC

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Post by juanani » Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 6:44 PM UTC

holoduke wrote: post #174

In a way I get it. I also agree with it. Europe should also try to reduce dependancy on American tech products for the scenario when the US becomes hostile towards Europe. A bit unlikely now, but you never know.

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